From: "Drew Adams" <drew.adams@oracle.com>
To: "'Eli Zaretskii'" <eliz@gnu.org>, <ams@gnu.org>
Cc: stephen@xemacs.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: RE: please make line-move-visual nil
Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 13:46:26 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <2E97428C6AB640F0A247A79C45BBC885@us.oracle.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <83y6slrl0k.fsf@gnu.org>
> > Pretest is not for changing the default behavior. They are for
> > fixing bugs before the release.
> >
> > And people have found that this is a bug, so they are voicing their
> > objections again, since they were ignored last time.
>
> A deliberate change in behavior is not a bug, as long as the only
> objection is "I don't like it".
A deliberate change in behavior is not a good change, as long as the only reason
supporting it is "I like it".
Yes, let's get back to _reasons_ for the change in default behavior, _reasons_
against it, and perhaps discussion of alternatives, such as using different
defaults for different kinds of buffers.
Discussion of reasons is good. Proposals of alternatives and their discussion is
good.
We can note that (a) some people like the currently proposed change (yes, it is
just a proposal - Emacs 23 has not yet been released) and (b) some people
dislike it. Noting that is helpful, as a reminder that we are not quite there
yet.
But we need to move beyond just that notice. That notice shows only that we have
a problem; it does not, in itself, point to a solution.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2009-05-25 20:46 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 127+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2009-01-24 12:30 please make line-move-visual nil Alfred M. Szmidt
2009-05-13 13:35 ` garyo
2009-05-13 23:59 ` Deniz Dogan
2009-05-14 0:06 ` garyo
2009-05-14 8:51 ` Teemu Likonen
2009-05-14 9:37 ` Antoine Levitt
2009-05-15 3:21 ` Lennart Borgman
2009-05-15 4:22 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-05-17 6:29 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2009-05-14 11:29 ` garyo
2009-05-14 15:37 ` Teemu Likonen
2009-05-15 2:45 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2009-05-15 14:31 ` Davis Herring
2009-05-17 6:29 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2009-05-17 10:48 ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-05-17 20:28 ` Davis Herring
2009-05-24 22:33 ` Drew Adams
2009-05-24 23:18 ` Bastien
2009-05-24 23:18 ` Leo
2009-05-24 23:50 ` Chong Yidong
2009-05-24 23:58 ` Lennart Borgman
2009-05-25 8:05 ` Miles Bader
2009-05-25 0:53 ` Drew Adams
2009-05-25 1:03 ` Chong Yidong
2009-05-25 1:59 ` Drew Adams
2009-05-25 13:23 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-05-25 17:51 ` Drew Adams
2009-05-25 2:32 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-05-25 3:01 ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-05-25 4:16 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2009-05-25 8:34 ` Bastien
2009-05-25 20:21 ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-05-25 20:46 ` Drew Adams [this message]
2009-05-27 12:48 ` Andrew W. Nosenko
2009-05-27 12:51 ` Andrew W. Nosenko
2009-05-31 11:45 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2009-05-31 12:08 ` Andreas Schwab
2009-05-31 17:00 ` Miles Bader
2009-05-31 22:29 ` Bob Rogers
2009-06-01 2:33 ` Miles Bader
2009-06-01 9:22 ` Lennart Borgman
2009-06-01 9:54 ` Miles Bader
2009-06-01 9:59 ` Lennart Borgman
2009-06-05 22:13 ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2009-05-31 13:09 ` Deniz Dogan
2009-06-01 2:39 ` Miles Bader
2009-05-31 21:19 ` Chong Yidong
2009-06-01 7:24 ` Mathias Megyei
2009-06-01 13:29 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-06-01 14:36 ` T.V. Raman
2009-06-01 16:20 ` Drew Adams
2009-06-01 17:56 ` Chong Yidong
2009-06-01 18:26 ` Drew Adams
2009-06-01 20:11 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-06-01 21:00 ` Drew Adams
2009-06-01 21:25 ` Lennart Borgman
2009-06-01 21:33 ` Drew Adams
2009-06-01 21:56 ` Lennart Borgman
2009-06-01 22:33 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-06-01 22:52 ` Drew Adams
2009-06-01 23:12 ` Lennart Borgman
2009-06-01 23:57 ` Drew Adams
2009-06-01 23:13 ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-06-01 23:23 ` Drew Adams
2009-06-02 15:59 ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-06-12 17:16 ` Drew Adams
2009-06-12 21:45 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-06-13 0:19 ` Drew Adams
2009-06-14 20:45 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-06-01 23:18 ` Drew Adams
2009-06-02 1:29 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-05-25 8:18 ` Drew Adams
2009-05-25 20:46 ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-05-25 21:06 ` Drew Adams
2009-05-25 21:28 ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-05-25 2:57 ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-05-25 8:10 ` Miles Bader
2009-05-26 3:48 ` Chong Yidong
2009-05-24 23:53 ` David Reitter
2009-05-25 0:03 ` Lennart Borgman
2009-05-25 0:52 ` Drew Adams
2009-05-25 2:32 ` David Reitter
2009-05-25 8:35 ` Drew Adams
2009-05-25 2:26 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-05-25 2:02 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-05-25 4:16 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2009-05-25 8:16 ` Miles Bader
2009-05-25 9:29 ` Ulrich Mueller
2009-05-25 10:16 ` Miles Bader
2009-05-26 0:13 ` Richard M Stallman
2009-05-28 10:38 ` David Kastrup
2009-05-28 11:23 ` Bastien
2009-05-28 13:38 ` Werner LEMBERG
2009-05-29 4:39 ` rms
2009-05-26 9:52 ` Alan Mackenzie
2009-05-26 12:08 ` Lennart Borgman
2009-05-26 12:36 ` Rupert Swarbrick
2009-05-26 20:12 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2009-05-25 8:17 ` Drew Adams
2009-05-25 13:29 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-05-25 17:51 ` Drew Adams
2009-05-25 21:14 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-05-25 21:26 ` Lennart Borgman
2009-05-26 6:56 ` Tassilo Horn
2009-05-26 11:37 ` Deniz Dogan
2009-05-26 12:24 ` Lennart Borgman
2009-05-26 12:42 ` David Reitter
[not found] ` <m3hbz8c9qy.fsf@verona.se>
2009-05-26 12:58 ` David Reitter
2009-05-26 12:42 ` joakim
2009-05-26 13:54 ` Jason Rumney
2009-05-26 20:21 ` Lennart Borgman
2009-05-27 2:50 ` Miles Bader
2009-05-26 16:56 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-05-26 19:17 ` Tobias C. Rittweiler
2009-05-14 17:14 ` Bob Nnamtrop
2009-05-14 16:00 ` Shaun Johnson
2009-05-14 16:20 ` David Reitter
2009-05-14 18:17 ` Alan Mackenzie
2009-05-15 5:32 ` David Reitter
2009-05-15 7:18 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-05-15 7:40 ` Stephen Berman
2009-05-15 7:58 ` Miles Bader
2009-05-15 14:14 ` Drew Adams
2009-05-15 14:21 ` Stephen Berman
2009-05-15 14:27 ` Miles Bader
2009-05-16 6:13 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-05-17 3:53 ` Stefan Monnier
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