From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Drew Adams" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: RE: angle-bracket notation for keys (was: Selection changes) Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2010 12:15:58 -0700 Message-ID: <2DE8873D7BBB404186683774B6D5C499@us.oracle.com> References: <4C3FAF2F.8060700@alice.it> <4C40275D.704@harpegolden.net> <4C42418F.4060600@alice.it> <83fwzhebgg.fsf@gnu.org> <8F4BFF7C861A4C829E17005E14A14690@us.oracle.com> <83d3ukemdp.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1279480590 32574 80.91.229.12 (18 Jul 2010 19:16:30 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2010 19:16:30 +0000 (UTC) Cc: cyd@stupidchicken.com, david@harpegolden.net, emacs-devel@gnu.org, angelo.graziosi@alice.it To: "'Eli Zaretskii'" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Jul 18 21:16:28 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OaZLf-0002Bl-Lg for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 18 Jul 2010 21:16:27 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54551 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OaZLf-0002nP-3v for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 18 Jul 2010 15:16:27 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=41234 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OaZLY-0002mo-Dk for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 18 Jul 2010 15:16:21 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OaZLW-0000Ur-DR for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 18 Jul 2010 15:16:20 -0400 Original-Received: from rcsinet10.oracle.com ([148.87.113.121]:22442) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OaZLW-0000Uc-8I; Sun, 18 Jul 2010 15:16:18 -0400 Original-Received: from rcsinet15.oracle.com (rcsinet15.oracle.com [148.87.113.117]) by rcsinet10.oracle.com (Switch-3.4.2/Switch-3.4.2) with ESMTP id o6IJGDdo004037 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 18 Jul 2010 19:16:15 GMT Original-Received: from acsmt354.oracle.com (acsmt354.oracle.com [141.146.40.154]) by rcsinet15.oracle.com (Switch-3.4.2/Switch-3.4.1) with ESMTP id o6IJGCZq027005; Sun, 18 Jul 2010 19:16:12 GMT Original-Received: from abhmt003.oracle.com by acsmt354.oracle.com with ESMTP id 436343851279480549; Sun, 18 Jul 2010 12:15:49 -0700 Original-Received: from dradamslap1 (/10.175.236.167) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Sun, 18 Jul 2010 12:15:49 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <83d3ukemdp.fsf@gnu.org> Thread-Index: AcsmndGxZboy5AcDSaa2MSE3IJ5NnQADr7ZA X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 X-Source-IP: acsmt354.oracle.com [141.146.40.154] X-Auth-Type: Internal IP X-CT-RefId: str=0001.0A090202.4C4352FD.02E9:SCFMA4539814,ss=1,fgs=0 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:127558 Archived-At: > > I believe this was all discussed in those old threads > > who can remember all those discussions? `Shrug', yourself. ;-) I provided links to them. Who is interested? No sense repeating everything here/now, even in the case where someone might actually be interested. > > To be clear, however, I'm not really concerned about what > > appears in the printed manual. My concern (really, my > > _only_ concern wrt this question) is the UI and > > online doc (Info). I made that clear before, as well. > > Consistency with the [printed] manual is important, IMO. It is important, but not all-important. And the printed manual's notation for keys is anyway _inconsistent_ with the UI's notation. As you pointed out, the printed manual uses little icons for key names - what you called "a picture of a key with a label". Not so, the UI. What is most important is clarity. After that, consistency within each medium/context is important (it aids clarity). Consistency across all media/contexts (print, Info, *Help*, messages,...) can be helpful but less important than the previous.