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[128.53.196.27]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id g12sm12805716pgr.16.2017.07.08.15.12.13 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sat, 08 Jul 2017 15:12:14 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3273) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 209.85.192.182 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:216344 Archived-At: --Apple-Mail=_D58D912E-8702-4C48-9ED8-BDD28B651DA2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > On Jul 9, 2017, at 2:03, Richard Stallman wrote: >=20 > The goal here is to avoid having packages end up in the situation > Magit is in now. If ELPA inclusion is as cumbersome as Clement describes it, adding elisp = *user* notifications will only upset users and will change little else. The first thing to do seems to be seriously refine the technical process = to have packages included in ELPA. Then we can improve the paper signing = system, and then we can embark on a vast campagne to inform MELPA = contributors that they can move to ELPA with little extra overhead. If ELPA is concerned with free software, MELPA seems more inclined to = think in terms of "open source software". We can't have people move to = free software if oss proves to be less of a hassle (the minority of = people who can easily be convinced that free software is better are = probably already on ELPA). Jean-Christophe= --Apple-Mail=_D58D912E-8702-4C48-9ED8-BDD28B651DA2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
On Jul 9, 2017, at 2:03, Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org> = wrote:

The goal here is to = avoid having packages end up in the situation
Magit is in now.

If = ELPA inclusion is as cumbersome as Clement describes it, adding elisp = *user* notifications will only upset users and will change little = else.

The = first thing to do seems to be seriously refine the technical process to = have packages included in ELPA. Then we can improve the paper signing = system, and then we can embark on a vast campagne to inform MELPA = contributors that they can move to ELPA with little extra = overhead.

If = ELPA is concerned with free software, MELPA seems more inclined to think = in terms of "open source software". We can't have people move to free = software if oss proves to be less of a hassle (the minority of people = who can easily be convinced that free software is better are probably = already on ELPA).

Jean-Christophe
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