From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.ciao.gmane.io!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Poor quality documentation in edebug.el, and recursive documentation. Date: Tue, 12 May 2020 10:42:19 +0300 Message-ID: <2C13903D-9E33-455A-AFBB-DEDD7B540FD3@gnu.org> References: <20200505202048.GA15482@ACM> <20200508195326.GB6705@ACM> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="ciao.gmane.io:159.69.161.202"; logging-data="12562"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: K-9 Mail for Android To: emacs-devel@gnu.org,Madhu Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue May 12 09:43:09 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jYPZE-00038F-Vy for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 12 May 2020 09:43:09 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:52756 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jYPZE-0003q5-1a for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 12 May 2020 03:43:08 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:57670) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jYPYY-0003IK-7u for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 12 May 2020 03:42:27 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:35190) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jYPYX-0001qb-GS; Tue, 12 May 2020 03:42:25 -0400 Original-Received: from [176.12.137.152] (port=33634 helo=[10.212.174.103]) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1jYPYV-00052f-Sd; Tue, 12 May 2020 03:42:24 -0400 In-Reply-To: X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:249950 Archived-At: On May 12, 2020 9:33:49 AM GMT+03:00, Madhu wrote: > * Stefan Monnier : > Wrote on Fri, 08 May 2020 16:24:28 -0400: >=20 > >> where I was at the beginning of the week=2E I don't know what a > >> "metaclass" is, > > > > It's a generic term from the OO crowd=2E It's class of a class: in > > languages where classes can be manipulated as normal objects, they > > themselves belong to a class, called the metaclass (which is hence > > itself a class with its own metaclass, etc=2E=2E=2E)=2E > > > > Luckily you shouldn't need to know any of those things unless you > need > > to dig into the implementation of Elisp's OO facilities such as > > `cl-defstruct`, `eieio`, or `cl-generic`, basically=2E >=20 > Unfortunately we need to know because we have to deal with your > misdesign of those features and language constructs=2E [More toxic language elided=2E] Please tone down your messages=2E Regardless of whether one agrees with y= our technical arguments (I don't, FTR), the tone and toxic accusations are = unacceptable=2E Please be sure not to accuse anyone here of being incompet= ent, and Stefan less than anyone else=2E