From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Eli Zaretskii" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: ChangeLog fontifications Date: Sun, 16 May 2004 18:52:50 +0200 Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Message-ID: <2914-Sun16May2004185250+0300-eliz@gnu.org> References: <200405132050.00109.bruno@clisp.org> <200405161714.17062.bruno@clisp.org> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1084722991 15976 80.91.224.253 (16 May 2004 15:56:31 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 16 May 2004 15:56:31 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Sun May 16 17:56:21 2004 Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1BPNzw-0007Gi-00 for ; Sun, 16 May 2004 17:56:20 +0200 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1BPNzw-0006lL-00 for ; Sun, 16 May 2004 17:56:20 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1BPNyr-00076F-Ox for emacs-devel@quimby.gnus.org; Sun, 16 May 2004 11:55:13 -0400 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.34) id 1BPNyL-00074y-1Z for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 16 May 2004 11:54:41 -0400 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.34) id 1BPNxn-0006pd-TJ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 16 May 2004 11:54:40 -0400 Original-Received: from [192.114.186.23] (helo=aragorn.inter.net.il) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1BPNxn-0006oD-DS for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 16 May 2004 11:54:07 -0400 Original-Received: from zaretski ([80.230.157.234]) by aragorn.inter.net.il (MOS 3.4.6-GR) with ESMTP id CWS39582; Sun, 16 May 2004 18:53:59 +0300 (IDT) Original-To: Bruno Haible X-Mailer: emacs 21.3.50 (via feedmail 8 I) and Blat ver 1.8.9 In-reply-to: <200405161714.17062.bruno@clisp.org> (message from Bruno Haible on Sun, 16 May 2004 17:14:16 +0200) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:23540 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:23540 > From: Bruno Haible > Date: Sun, 16 May 2004 17:14:16 +0200 > > Yes, all GNU projects I work on use the style with a 15-year tradition. What projects are those? > After people have used to write things in a certain style for 10 years - > following the example that was given by you, by GCC, glibc and other > projects - it will be hard to explain what in this style is "wrong". Actually, I found it rather easy to explain, in those cases where I did. And many code contributors write misformatted ChangeLog entries even according to old conventions you are accustomed to. So if a project cares about its log formatting, maintainers typically need to watch out for badly formatted entries anyway. So it's not like the old conventions are somehow automatically followed, except by those few who are accustomed to them. > I add that the new Emacs style is bad because it doesn't allow a newline > to be inserted anywhere, i.e. it doesn't treat newline and space conceptually > the same. With suggested changes that will allow log entries to be correctly formatted when they are refilled, this problem will go away, I think. > What are the advantages/benefits of the new Emacs style that should > convince me and others to use it? The advantages/benefits were already mentioned in this thread: the new style makes it easier for line-oriented programs to find the names of changed functions/macros.