From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Dmitry Gutov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Do pretests reach end users? 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That's all we know. X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_bar: / X-Spam_report: (0.0 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=_AUTOLEARN X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:252645 Archived-At: On 03.07.2020 09:21, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> — Unstable Debian comes with Emacs 26, Ubuntu gets Emacs from Debian. >> — Arch comes with version 26, AURʼs ‘emacs27’ is 27.0.60 — an outdated February snapshot [1]. >> — Unstable Nix, again, contain 26th Emacs. >> — Fedora provides only stable version of Emacs. >> — Homebrew — guess what? >> >> And even pretest releases for Windows do not seem to be mentioned in any way on. How users are supposed to get them? > They aren't. We cannot control the policies of the various distros, > and cannot rely on them for being part of the pretest. Sometimes they > are, nonetheless, presumably because the people who are responsible > for the distros read the announcements about the pretests, and that is > good. But it isn't the main means for pretesting. What about the official website, though?