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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:284123 Archived-At: > On Jan 3, 2022, at 8:13 PM, Stefan Monnier = wrote: >=20 >> Custom cannot save some of the results produced by the wizard, >=20 > That's easy to fix. >=20 >> for example, key bindings and Unicode fonts. >=20 > Make (global) minor modes that make those changes and then Custom can > control them just fine. >=20 > If it's mainstream enough to be something that a setup-wizard should > recommend, then it *should* be easy to control via Custom. That=E2=80=99s true. Ok. I=E2=80=99ll do that. I still think code has = the virtue of simplicity and inviting a user to explore more of Emacs. = But I know we are thinking about different target users (people who = would like to understand how things works vs people who just want it = work and forget about it). Yuan=