From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Drew Adams Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: RE: Finding packages to enable by default Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2013 21:16:02 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <27cf3be2-5371-4c6c-8e93-5942f8369589@default> References: <87mwkgb74k.fsf@yandex.ru> <52A02473.8090005@gmx.at> <87d2laq3e5.fsf@yandex.ru> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1386306994 24509 80.91.229.3 (6 Dec 2013 05:16:34 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2013 05:16:34 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Andrew Hyatt , Tom , emacs-devel , martin rudalics , Bozhidar Batsov , Dmitry Gutov To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Dec 06 06:16:36 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1VonmF-00061l-Mi for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 06 Dec 2013 06:16:35 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:57389 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VonmE-0006Xk-PF for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 06 Dec 2013 00:16:34 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:56610) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Vonm3-0006XM-KK for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 06 Dec 2013 00:16:32 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Vonlv-0001ig-3Q for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 06 Dec 2013 00:16:23 -0500 Original-Received: from userp1040.oracle.com ([156.151.31.81]:35512) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Vonlu-0001ic-SH for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 06 Dec 2013 00:16:15 -0500 Original-Received: from ucsinet21.oracle.com (ucsinet21.oracle.com [156.151.31.93]) by userp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.1/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.1) with ESMTP id rB65G58H010447 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 6 Dec 2013 05:16:06 GMT Original-Received: from aserz7022.oracle.com (aserz7022.oracle.com [141.146.126.231]) by ucsinet21.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id rB65G3Sq000598 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 6 Dec 2013 05:16:04 GMT Original-Received: from abhmp0019.oracle.com (abhmp0019.oracle.com [141.146.116.25]) by aserz7022.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id rB65G3O4018057; Fri, 6 Dec 2013 05:16:03 GMT In-Reply-To: X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.8 (707110) [OL 12.0.6680.5000 (x86)] X-Source-IP: ucsinet21.oracle.com [156.151.31.93] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.4.x-2.6.x [generic] X-Received-From: 156.151.31.81 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:166147 Archived-At: > > As I said, if you enable also `show-paren-mode', then the cursor stays > > put (AFAICT). You get the advantages of both: message when needed and > > highlighting. >=20 > No, the difference is that Hm. "No" what? "Difference"? What are you comparing? I said nothing about a difference - nothing to correct wrt "the difference", AFAIK. > show-paren-mode highlights the other end *all the time*, rather than > only when inserting the closing paren. Yes, it does. And? Does that contradict what I said? What I said is that there is no apparent movement of the cursor - no blinking noticed, when both are turned on. 1. Some people have said, and I agree, that `show-paren-mode' should be on by default: highlight both ends. 2. Others have countered that an advantage of `blink-matching-paren' over `show-paren-mode' is that tells you where the other end is, when it is off-window. I agree: `blink-matching-paren' should remain on (non-nil) by default. 3. No one (maybe you?) has spoken in favor of the jump-and-blink behavior of `blink-matching-paren'. Some have called it annoying. But turning on `show-paren-mode' nullifies this behavior, AFAICT. Putting 1 & 2 together is what I suggested: (1) highlighting both ends, from `show-paren-mode', and (2) provide an informative msg when the other end is off-window, from `blink-matching-paren'. AFAICT, turning them both on does 1 + 2 without 3 (no jump & blink). Am I missing something?