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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:314376 Archived-At: > On Dec 29, 2023, at 9:28 PM, Karl Fogel wrote: >=20 > On 29 Dec 2023, Yuan Fu wrote: >> I=E2=80=99ve been working on a collaborative editing package = on-and-off for a >> while. I call it collab-mode. It=E2=80=99s far from complete but I = want to >> gather some early feedback (and find some people to test it). >>=20 >> Yes, another collab editing package. I know there=E2=80=99s a pile of >> abandoned collab editing packages already, and whether it=E2=80=99s = really >> very useful is questionable in the age of google docs. >=20 > There is no question at all about its usefulness! Having a reliable, = usable, and easy-to-install Emacs package for collaborative editing = would be amazing. Even if it were to only support Emacs<->Emacs it = would be a great thing; if it allows collaborative editing with people = using other editors, then it will make the stars shine and the moon = sing. >=20 > I know you said it's not there yet, but I just wanted to respond to = your remark about questionable usefulness. Many people would love to = have this. I hope you keep working on it! (Personally, if I had time = for sustained Emacs development, this would be my highest priority.) Thank you for your kind words :-) >=20 >> Nevertheless, there seems to be some niche use-cases and I want >> to make something original. >=20 > Not niche, not niche! :-) >=20 > I'll try to test it with a colleague in January. That=E2=80=99ll be very helpful! >=20 > Since you're using OT anyway, I wonder if eventually it can be = compatible with Etherpad, which I believe is also OT not CRDT. That = would be a nice win. I didn=E2=80=99t look into it but I imagine it=E2=80=99s gonna be = difficult. >=20 >> It is still very much a WIP so expect it to break a lot and maybe >> don=E2=80=99t post it on Reddit or HN :-) After all, I might never = complete >> and publish it. >=20 > Understood. >=20 > Good luck! We'll report bugs in your tracker when ready. Thanks. Yuan=