From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Bill Wohler Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Document option tool-bar-mode Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 19:41:31 -0800 Organization: Newt Software Message-ID: <27273.1134963691@olgas.newt.com> References: <22534.1134868813@olgas.newt.com> <200512180258.jBI2wrO21007@raven.dms.auburn.edu> <26173.1134885466@olgas.newt.com> <200512190322.jBJ3Mpg06849@raven.dms.auburn.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1134963783 20607 80.91.229.2 (19 Dec 2005 03:43:03 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 03:43:03 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Dec 19 04:42:58 2005 Return-path: Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EoBuK-0002Fl-Qe for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 19 Dec 2005 04:41:53 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EoBv9-0002pb-MM for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 22:42:43 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EoBuz-0002pW-97 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 22:42:33 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EoBux-0002pK-PH for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 22:42:33 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EoBux-0002pH-Mj for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 22:42:31 -0500 Original-Received: from [207.69.195.69] (helo=pop-savannah.atl.sa.earthlink.net) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EoBxq-0003v4-4p for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 22:45:30 -0500 Original-Received: from h-68-165-7-242.snvacaid.dynamic.covad.net ([68.165.7.242] helo=olgas.newt.com) by pop-savannah.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1EoBu0-0004Lc-00; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 22:41:32 -0500 Original-Received: by olgas.newt.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 59E3416FE1; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 19:41:31 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: from olgas.newt.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by olgas.newt.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 567A216FAD; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 19:41:31 -0800 (PST) Original-To: Luc Teirlinck In-Reply-To: Luc Teirlinck's message of Sun, 18 Dec 2005 21:22:51 CST. <200512190322.jBJ3Mpg06849@raven.dms.auburn.edu> X-Mailer: MH-E 7.85+cvs; nmh 1.1; GNU Emacs 22.0.50.10 X-Image-URL: http://www.newt.com/wohler/images/bill-diving.png Mail-Followup-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:48027 Archived-At: Luc Teirlinck wrote: > Bill Wohler wrote: > > > `customizing' is ambiguous. It does not consistently refer to the > > Customize interface, but is often used in a more general sense. > > Perhaps we should not do that. "Customizing the option foo" is much > cleaner than "saving the variable foo through the Customize interface." > > You can customize various things in your .emacs, including keybindings. ^^^^^^^^ Yeah, there's not really a better term for that other than customize. OK, so let's allow customize as the general term (customizing through .emacs or through the Customize interface). We can then define "customize the option foo" to mean "use the Customize interface to set and save option foo." Similarly for "customize the face foo." An advanced user will be happy to interpret these phrases as he wishes. Furthermore, we define "customizable" to refer to an option or face that can be modified through the Customize interface. We just need to make sure there aren't phrases like "customize the option foo" when "foo" doesn't have a Customize interface. -- Bill Wohler http://www.newt.com/wohler/ GnuPG ID:610BD9AD Maintainer of comp.mail.mh FAQ and MH-E. Vote Libertarian! If you're passed on the right, you're in the wrong lane.