From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Gregory Heytings Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Suggested experimental test Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2021 17:08:32 +0000 Message-ID: <271290d7aa8b3d984968@heytings.org> References: <831ba60af0cbfdd95686@heytings.org> <87mtuxj8ue.fsf@gnus.org> <9088e12cb3de3d30abf1@heytings.org> <8735wnjsum.fsf@gnus.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="36469"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: Lars Ingebrigtsen , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Jean Louis Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon Mar 22 18:11:00 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1lOO4v-0009GV-BA for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 22 Mar 2021 18:10:57 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:49126 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lOO4u-0002lP-BN for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 22 Mar 2021 13:10:56 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:37244) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lOO2g-0000wy-Cy for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 22 Mar 2021 13:08:38 -0400 Original-Received: from heytings.org ([95.142.160.155]:40760) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lOO2e-0004Zf-K8 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 22 Mar 2021 13:08:38 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=heytings.org; s=20210101; t=1616432913; bh=yxI2Ys/2UgQwfp+VuOYmTntocEGtP758fxk1bx5cSWc=; h=Date:From:To:cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:Message-ID:References:From; b=xTTZmuqUyEll22R/QN2gXch/D6gQE3veOUNwNHP0+ei0vFeBt3imR7X5I7xvekTvr Ef8HB2SxuQz+0je+ASNsK1/0zJknI6XNOTTtNtPmNquitTPFmwBJ2TvJ8NI8ELs4BR P8LNe+TCVdVDJ7o1+eZJdaB0QYGSBTPTWCUVGi01Yt9VL+hMKtf2+EnMN///NJKTmK Yxi3jM+UmNX3vEHpGFzVet+vNS+mdhXs9HW+ehdEFN/IqQO1cbaD6r3jKsGjCbSa5k e5TNWa0V0Kvs35+ULfwAVHEuLAcWV0AQadgrENoz0GIfvLVYTKi5sbNQaY8ddIf6Hf v6JVxanUxhKLQ== In-Reply-To: Received-SPF: pass client-ip=95.142.160.155; envelope-from=gregory@heytings.org; helo=heytings.org X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:266761 Archived-At: >>> Well... the suggested experiment does not remove C-o, it changes C-o >>> in a way that is, I believe, painless. >> >> Sorry; I didn't read the patch carefully. So it basically moves `C-o' >> to `C-o C-o' (and makes the `C-o' prefix open for new commands)? >> >> I don't use `C-o' myself, so I can't really say to what degree this >> would be annoying or not for users. Any `C-o' users who have an >> opinion here? > > For now I count 3 people from mailing lists who already objected to it, > including me. > I've only seen one (you), and perhaps a second one (Alfred), but I'm not quite sure because he initially thought that open-line would be removed. > > How do you Lars insert new lines, before the current line with cursor? > I can't speak for Lars, but if this is something that I frequently needed, I would either learn the C-p C-e C-m sequence, or make it a command in my init file, for example: (global-set-key (kbd "M-RET") (lambda () (interactive) (previous-line) (end-of-line) (newline-and-indent))) (M-RET has a similar purpose in org-mode.) > > Gregory, don't you think that 3 users including me who expressed their > objections is not part of the experiment already? > No, precisely because nobody actually experimented the potential change. You cannot give an opinion on a change before experimenting it for some time, say, at least a day.