From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Gregory Heytings Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Suggested experimental test Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2021 20:22:44 +0000 Message-ID: <271290d7aa7534d15b42@heytings.org> References: <831ba60af0cbfdd95686@heytings.org> <87mtuxj8ue.fsf@gnus.org> <9088e12cb3de3d30abf1@heytings.org> <8735wnjsum.fsf@gnus.org> <83sg4n9jei.fsf@gnu.org> <87y2efhx3e.fsf@gnus.org> <838s6f9g5d.fsf@gnu.org> <87y2efgg3w.fsf@gnus.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="5745"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: Eli Zaretskii , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon Mar 22 21:24:17 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1lOR5y-0001O7-SK for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 22 Mar 2021 21:24:14 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:40374 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lOR5x-0007HM-Sx for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 22 Mar 2021 16:24:13 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:60546) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lOR4c-00060c-BO for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 22 Mar 2021 16:22:50 -0400 Original-Received: from heytings.org ([95.142.160.155]:41176) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lOR4Y-0007Zl-4g; Mon, 22 Mar 2021 16:22:50 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=heytings.org; s=20210101; t=1616444564; bh=t3YySUxK8HdzOJmBZCzoXMR1e7O0rdhmSFPagKVUO8w=; h=Date:From:To:cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:Message-ID:References:From; b=qFaZ+r4Q+DRqCmw4I/0yHj77EPqfubxw9yqUhldfkyVqAKoVPw++kiKp/XganCwGE QRRwJtuJq4XSXqOTSJeyXaQqMe6akxjifUBq8kBt4qsAZOE19J5MZj8AV5raM2iAqP pYig6TtyM7uWHcE/QFn2+MlsbmGks1MrAGCgHYYD0FB4LGZM/s1ogxd8MkVovE0sSF kCTsEErUshazWhKsY2rT6/VT5IK6vx+Uq0YAiD4kkGYTPv+tBe9UUsoOYhuUlxYjqj zxKcapj5RcakdTRGtYH5FrJWknDHF94gI3sskAV/GKN7wxDN3eVazmB43T9tQ6p+m/ FD9WwDQ2JPVrw== In-Reply-To: <87y2efgg3w.fsf@gnus.org> Received-SPF: pass client-ip=95.142.160.155; envelope-from=gregory@heytings.org; helo=heytings.org X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:266820 Archived-At: >> This command isn't supposed to reindent the next line, it just inserts >> a newline. My main use for it is to move line(s) downward when point >> is in column zero. The 'o' in C-o stands for "open" a line. > > I see. Yes, that seems useful. > > Gregory, I don't think there's much point in doing this experiment -- > the pushback is already substantial, so I think we have the data we need > already. > That's unfortunate, but I see your point. A few voices who complain loudly without even trying things are, alas, enough to prevent progress. > > The tenor of discussion in this thread has been shocking, though, with > people ascribing nefarious motivations to Gregory's suggestion. Please > stop doing this -- it makes this mailing list distinctly unfriendly. > Thank you, Lars.