From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.ciao.gmane.io!not-for-mail From: Jean-Christophe Helary Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Imports / inclusion of s.el into Emacs Date: Tue, 5 May 2020 10:37:50 +0900 Message-ID: <270A2969-3B28-40D8-B84B-4B554974C435@traduction-libre.org> References: <831ro2tqqx.fsf@gnu.org> <4a1fd3f4-df92-c756-9874-4d07b54148ac@yandex.ru> <83v9lesapw.fsf@gnu.org> <83pnbms9m8.fsf@gnu.org> <83a72qs4z2.fsf@gnu.org> <83wo5uqoh5.fsf@gnu.org> <838si9qf7s.fsf@gnu.org> <83a72nojgx.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.4 \(3608.80.23.2.2\)) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="ciao.gmane.io:159.69.161.202"; logging-data="107430"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: joaotavora@gmail.com, Dmitry Gutov , Richard Stallman , monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, Emacs developers To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue May 05 03:39:13 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jVmYD-000RqM-2N for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 05 May 2020 03:39:13 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:52914 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jVmYC-0000V0-4f for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 04 May 2020 21:39:12 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:60276) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jVmX7-0008CF-DN for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 04 May 2020 21:38:05 -0400 Original-Received: from relay2-d.mail.gandi.net ([217.70.183.194]:45961) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jVmX5-00040c-90; Mon, 04 May 2020 21:38:04 -0400 X-Originating-IP: 128.53.210.217 Original-Received: from [10.0.1.13] (pl6361.ag0304.nttpc.ne.jp [128.53.210.217]) (Authenticated sender: jean.christophe.helary@traduction-libre.org) by relay2-d.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 0259440007; Tue, 5 May 2020 01:37:54 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: <83a72nojgx.fsf@gnu.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.80.23.2.2) Received-SPF: pass client-ip=217.70.183.194; envelope-from=jean.christophe.helary@traduction-libre.org; helo=relay2-d.mail.gandi.net X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/05/04 21:37:58 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 3.11 and newer [fuzzy] X-Spam_score_int: -25 X-Spam_score: -2.6 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.6 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001 autolearn=_AUTOLEARN X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:248924 Archived-At: > On May 4, 2020, at 23:36, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >=20 >> From: Jean-Christophe Helary = >> Date: Mon, 4 May 2020 16:47:11 +0900 >> Cc: Philippe Vaucher , >> dgutov@yandex.ru, >> rms@gnu.org, >> joaotavora@gmail.com, >> monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, >> emacs-devel@gnu.org >>=20 >>>> For quite a lot of people, this page=20 >>>> http://ergoemacs.org/emacs/elisp_string_functions.html is much = simpler >>>> to use & learn from than this page >>>> = https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/manual/html_node/elisp/Strings-and-Char= acters.html >>>>=20 >>>> It does not mean that the later page is bad, it is actually more = complete,=20 >>>> better documented, already grouped >>>> in topics... and yet, a lot of people prefer the first page... = straight to=20 >>>> the point, simple examples. >>>>=20 >>>> Please tell me if you are able to understand this, if you cannot = I'll try to=20 >>>> explain further. >>>=20 >>> I understand this very well, I'm just astonished to hear that this = is >>> all the documentation you and some others want to see or have. >>=20 >> Nobody claimed that it was *all* we want to see or have. Quite the = contrary. >=20 > Maybe we are in two different discussions, then. Because the above > clearly says: "this page (ergoemacs) is much simpler to use & learn > from than this page (ELisp)". IOW, it sees the ergoemacs page as a > better _replacement_ for the ELisp manual. No. This information comes in the context of *adding* some = discoverability to current emacs. What *this* thread is all about. = Nobody is discussing the lack of usefulness of the emacs manual or its = replacement by another data set. Jean-Christophe Helary ----------------------------------------------- http://mac4translators.blogspot.com @brandelune