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From: "Björn Bidar" <bjorn.bidar@thaodan.de>
To: Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org>
Cc: Suhail Singh <suhailsingh247@gmail.com>,  emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Improve access to documentation in Info format
Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2024 01:41:22 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <26628.02251741$1734133357@news.gmane.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <E1tLETR-0001ha-NQ@fencepost.gnu.org> (Richard Stallman's message of "Tue, 10 Dec 2024 23:37:21 -0500")

Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org> writes:

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>   > 1. Providing an "easy" way for users to see available info manuals and
>   >    install them.
>
> I think we should be able to do this.  The way I see is involves two
> steps:
>
> a, Set up some sort of download repo with all the Info manuals.
>
> b. Write software to find the desired manual, fetch it, and install it
> on your computer.

That's the users package manager in almost all the cases. If not the
solutions mentioned by Suhail Singh are an option.

Writing a new software for this isn't a good idea IMHO.

Writing build scrits/descriptions for all the possible package managers
we could face should be much easier.

I wouldn't do this for ALL info manuals but only for those where are
no packages for. For those where a conversion to Texinfo is done
e.g. Sphinx like for example when packaging CMake it easier to add the
info manual packaging to existing packaging.

Add that is a very minor change and could be done by users interested
into having these info manuals with little amount of time.
Guix is a good place for examples of these efforts.

> Would people like tp vplunteer to work on this?
>
>   > 2. Make it easier to generate and perhaps also provide, via 1, Info
>   >    manuals for packages that use other documentation generation systems.
>   >    A popular candidate to target in this regard is Sphinx.  Sphinx has
>   >    some existing support, IIUC, to generate Texinfo output.
>
> In principle I think this is a good idea, but there is a technical
> difficulty: it is impossible to produce a fully correct Info manual
> from those other formats. because those other formats do not make
> the necessary distincions.

Info being the minority in this instance would be in the position
to improve the output of these engines.

It would be best to approach this diplomatic.

> It would not be terribly hard to write software which would do this
> job _as well as could be done given the current formats_, but the
> results will be visibly wrong.
>
> What would be terribly hard is to do a better job than that.



  parent reply	other threads:[~2024-12-13 23:41 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 100+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-11-30 12:56 Proposal: Include C Manual from RMS in Emacs git, and/or release Jeremy Bryant
2024-11-30 13:25 ` Philip Kaludercic
2024-11-30 13:38 ` Arsen Arsenović
2024-11-30 14:12   ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-30 18:08     ` Arsen Arsenović
2024-11-30 20:05       ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-30 21:09         ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2024-12-01  6:15           ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-02  3:00             ` Texinfo reputation (was: Re: [External] : Re: Proposal: Include C Manual from RMS in Emacs git, and/or release) Max Nikulin
2024-12-02 12:47               ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-03  2:51                 ` Texinfo reputation Max Nikulin
2024-12-03 12:38                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-03 18:51               ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2024-12-05  4:56                 ` Max Nikulin
2024-12-05  7:45                   ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2024-12-06  4:47                 ` Richard Stallman
2024-12-01  9:53         ` Proposal: Include C Manual from RMS in Emacs git, and/or release Arsen Arsenović
2024-12-01 10:12           ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-01 10:54             ` Arsen Arsenović
2024-12-01 13:04         ` Johan Myréen
2024-12-04  6:09           ` Richard Stallman
2024-11-30 13:50 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-01  4:02   ` Sean Whitton
2024-12-01  7:45     ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-01  8:36       ` Sean Whitton
2024-12-01 10:01         ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-01 11:13           ` Sean Whitton
2024-12-05  5:05       ` Making the GNU C Manual easier to find in Info Richard Stallman
2024-12-05  6:30         ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-05  7:25         ` Integration of Info manuals in programming modes; was: " Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2024-12-05  7:46           ` Integration of Info manuals in programming modes Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-05  8:52             ` Visuwesh
2024-12-05  9:14               ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-05  9:49                 ` Visuwesh
2024-12-05 11:17                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-05 11:28                     ` Visuwesh
2024-12-05 12:01                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-05 12:39                         ` Visuwesh
2024-12-05 14:26                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-08  8:13                           ` Integration of Info manuals in programming modes, " James Thomas
2024-12-08  8:38                             ` James Thomas
2024-12-08 11:34                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-08 20:10                               ` Björn Bidar
     [not found]                               ` <87zfl60wbw.fsf@>
2024-12-08 20:46                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-11  4:32                                 ` Richard Stallman
2024-12-13 23:54                                   ` Björn Bidar
     [not found]                               ` <86msh5b48w.fsf@gmx.net>
2024-12-10  1:08                                 ` James Thomas
2024-12-05 10:06             ` Stephen Berman
2024-12-05 15:07             ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2024-12-05 16:04               ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-09  4:58           ` Integration of Info manuals in programming modes; was: Making the GNU C Manual easier to find in Info Richard Stallman
2024-12-09 22:49             ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2024-12-11  4:35               ` Richard Stallman
2024-12-02  4:10   ` Proposal: Include C Manual from RMS in Emacs git, and/or release Richard Stallman
2024-12-02 12:57     ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-03 23:03       ` [ELPA] New package c-intro-and-ref -- was " Jeremy Bryant
2024-12-04 12:33         ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-04 22:58           ` Jeremy Bryant
2024-12-05  5:45             ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-07 13:30               ` Improving info-look.el for (c) -was- " Jeremy Bryant
2024-12-07 15:09                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-05  5:03           ` Max Nikulin
2024-12-05 18:47           ` Philip Kaludercic
2024-12-05 19:04             ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-06 10:44               ` Philip Kaludercic
2024-12-06 12:10                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-06 22:40                   ` Philip Kaludercic
2024-12-05 19:17             ` Stefan Monnier
2024-12-05 20:35               ` chad
2024-12-06  4:57               ` Visuwesh
2024-12-06 10:42               ` Philip Kaludercic
2024-12-06 14:58             ` Max Nikulin
2024-12-06 16:30               ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-08 16:41                 ` Max Nikulin
2024-12-08  5:15               ` Richard Stallman
2024-12-08  7:15                 ` Xiyue Deng
2024-12-08 16:50                 ` Max Nikulin
2024-12-11  4:32                   ` Richard Stallman
2024-12-12  3:22                     ` Debian package with GNU manuals (was: Re: [ELPA] New package c-intro-and-ref) Max Nikulin
2024-12-04 20:02         ` [ELPA] New package c-intro-and-ref -- was Re: Proposal: Include C Manual from RMS in Emacs git, and/or release Suhail Singh
     [not found]           ` <87wmgf9h70.fsf@jeremybryant.net>
2024-12-04 23:52             ` Suhail Singh
2024-12-07 13:21               ` Jeremy Bryant
2024-12-08 20:44                 ` Suhail Singh
2024-12-07  4:22           ` Richard Stallman
2024-12-07 12:29             ` Jeremy Bryant
2024-12-07 14:55             ` Björn Bidar
     [not found]             ` <87h67fr18v.fsf@>
2024-12-10  5:38               ` Richard Stallman
2024-12-13 23:44                 ` Björn Bidar
2024-12-05  5:05       ` Richard Stallman
2024-12-05  6:27         ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-03 20:07     ` Björn Bidar
     [not found]     ` <87cyi8h6n8.fsf@>
2024-12-07 16:02       ` Björn Bidar
2024-12-08  5:10       ` Richard Stallman
2024-12-08 20:07         ` Björn Bidar
2024-12-09 15:11         ` Improve access to documentation in Info format (was: Proposal: Include C Manual from RMS in Emacs git, and/or release) Suhail Singh
2024-12-11  4:37           ` Richard Stallman
2024-12-11 14:13             ` Improve access to documentation in Info format Suhail Singh
2024-12-13 23:41             ` Björn Bidar [this message]
     [not found]         ` <874j3e2b2i.fsf@>
2024-12-11  4:32           ` Proposal: Include C Manual from RMS in Emacs git, and/or release Richard Stallman
2024-12-08 23:03 ` John ff

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