From: "Björn Bidar" <bjorn.bidar@thaodan.de>
To: Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org>
Cc: Suhail Singh <suhailsingh247@gmail.com>, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Improve access to documentation in Info format
Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2024 01:41:22 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <26628.02251741$1734133357@news.gmane.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <E1tLETR-0001ha-NQ@fencepost.gnu.org> (Richard Stallman's message of "Tue, 10 Dec 2024 23:37:21 -0500")
Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org> writes:
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> > 1. Providing an "easy" way for users to see available info manuals and
> > install them.
>
> I think we should be able to do this. The way I see is involves two
> steps:
>
> a, Set up some sort of download repo with all the Info manuals.
>
> b. Write software to find the desired manual, fetch it, and install it
> on your computer.
That's the users package manager in almost all the cases. If not the
solutions mentioned by Suhail Singh are an option.
Writing a new software for this isn't a good idea IMHO.
Writing build scrits/descriptions for all the possible package managers
we could face should be much easier.
I wouldn't do this for ALL info manuals but only for those where are
no packages for. For those where a conversion to Texinfo is done
e.g. Sphinx like for example when packaging CMake it easier to add the
info manual packaging to existing packaging.
Add that is a very minor change and could be done by users interested
into having these info manuals with little amount of time.
Guix is a good place for examples of these efforts.
> Would people like tp vplunteer to work on this?
>
> > 2. Make it easier to generate and perhaps also provide, via 1, Info
> > manuals for packages that use other documentation generation systems.
> > A popular candidate to target in this regard is Sphinx. Sphinx has
> > some existing support, IIUC, to generate Texinfo output.
>
> In principle I think this is a good idea, but there is a technical
> difficulty: it is impossible to produce a fully correct Info manual
> from those other formats. because those other formats do not make
> the necessary distincions.
Info being the minority in this instance would be in the position
to improve the output of these engines.
It would be best to approach this diplomatic.
> It would not be terribly hard to write software which would do this
> job _as well as could be done given the current formats_, but the
> results will be visibly wrong.
>
> What would be terribly hard is to do a better job than that.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2024-12-13 23:41 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 100+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2024-11-30 12:56 Proposal: Include C Manual from RMS in Emacs git, and/or release Jeremy Bryant
2024-11-30 13:25 ` Philip Kaludercic
2024-11-30 13:38 ` Arsen Arsenović
2024-11-30 14:12 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-30 18:08 ` Arsen Arsenović
2024-11-30 20:05 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-30 21:09 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2024-12-01 6:15 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-02 3:00 ` Texinfo reputation (was: Re: [External] : Re: Proposal: Include C Manual from RMS in Emacs git, and/or release) Max Nikulin
2024-12-02 12:47 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-03 2:51 ` Texinfo reputation Max Nikulin
2024-12-03 12:38 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-03 18:51 ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2024-12-05 4:56 ` Max Nikulin
2024-12-05 7:45 ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2024-12-06 4:47 ` Richard Stallman
2024-12-01 9:53 ` Proposal: Include C Manual from RMS in Emacs git, and/or release Arsen Arsenović
2024-12-01 10:12 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-01 10:54 ` Arsen Arsenović
2024-12-01 13:04 ` Johan Myréen
2024-12-04 6:09 ` Richard Stallman
2024-11-30 13:50 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-01 4:02 ` Sean Whitton
2024-12-01 7:45 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-01 8:36 ` Sean Whitton
2024-12-01 10:01 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-01 11:13 ` Sean Whitton
2024-12-05 5:05 ` Making the GNU C Manual easier to find in Info Richard Stallman
2024-12-05 6:30 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-05 7:25 ` Integration of Info manuals in programming modes; was: " Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2024-12-05 7:46 ` Integration of Info manuals in programming modes Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-05 8:52 ` Visuwesh
2024-12-05 9:14 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-05 9:49 ` Visuwesh
2024-12-05 11:17 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-05 11:28 ` Visuwesh
2024-12-05 12:01 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-05 12:39 ` Visuwesh
2024-12-05 14:26 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-08 8:13 ` Integration of Info manuals in programming modes, " James Thomas
2024-12-08 8:38 ` James Thomas
2024-12-08 11:34 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-08 20:10 ` Björn Bidar
[not found] ` <87zfl60wbw.fsf@>
2024-12-08 20:46 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-11 4:32 ` Richard Stallman
2024-12-13 23:54 ` Björn Bidar
[not found] ` <86msh5b48w.fsf@gmx.net>
2024-12-10 1:08 ` James Thomas
2024-12-05 10:06 ` Stephen Berman
2024-12-05 15:07 ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2024-12-05 16:04 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-09 4:58 ` Integration of Info manuals in programming modes; was: Making the GNU C Manual easier to find in Info Richard Stallman
2024-12-09 22:49 ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2024-12-11 4:35 ` Richard Stallman
2024-12-02 4:10 ` Proposal: Include C Manual from RMS in Emacs git, and/or release Richard Stallman
2024-12-02 12:57 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-03 23:03 ` [ELPA] New package c-intro-and-ref -- was " Jeremy Bryant
2024-12-04 12:33 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-04 22:58 ` Jeremy Bryant
2024-12-05 5:45 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-07 13:30 ` Improving info-look.el for (c) -was- " Jeremy Bryant
2024-12-07 15:09 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-05 5:03 ` Max Nikulin
2024-12-05 18:47 ` Philip Kaludercic
2024-12-05 19:04 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-06 10:44 ` Philip Kaludercic
2024-12-06 12:10 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-06 22:40 ` Philip Kaludercic
2024-12-05 19:17 ` Stefan Monnier
2024-12-05 20:35 ` chad
2024-12-06 4:57 ` Visuwesh
2024-12-06 10:42 ` Philip Kaludercic
2024-12-06 14:58 ` Max Nikulin
2024-12-06 16:30 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-08 16:41 ` Max Nikulin
2024-12-08 5:15 ` Richard Stallman
2024-12-08 7:15 ` Xiyue Deng
2024-12-08 16:50 ` Max Nikulin
2024-12-11 4:32 ` Richard Stallman
2024-12-12 3:22 ` Debian package with GNU manuals (was: Re: [ELPA] New package c-intro-and-ref) Max Nikulin
2024-12-04 20:02 ` [ELPA] New package c-intro-and-ref -- was Re: Proposal: Include C Manual from RMS in Emacs git, and/or release Suhail Singh
[not found] ` <87wmgf9h70.fsf@jeremybryant.net>
2024-12-04 23:52 ` Suhail Singh
2024-12-07 13:21 ` Jeremy Bryant
2024-12-08 20:44 ` Suhail Singh
2024-12-07 4:22 ` Richard Stallman
2024-12-07 12:29 ` Jeremy Bryant
2024-12-07 14:55 ` Björn Bidar
[not found] ` <87h67fr18v.fsf@>
2024-12-10 5:38 ` Richard Stallman
2024-12-13 23:44 ` Björn Bidar
2024-12-05 5:05 ` Richard Stallman
2024-12-05 6:27 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-03 20:07 ` Björn Bidar
[not found] ` <87cyi8h6n8.fsf@>
2024-12-07 16:02 ` Björn Bidar
2024-12-08 5:10 ` Richard Stallman
2024-12-08 20:07 ` Björn Bidar
2024-12-09 15:11 ` Improve access to documentation in Info format (was: Proposal: Include C Manual from RMS in Emacs git, and/or release) Suhail Singh
2024-12-11 4:37 ` Richard Stallman
2024-12-11 14:13 ` Improve access to documentation in Info format Suhail Singh
2024-12-13 23:41 ` Björn Bidar [this message]
[not found] ` <874j3e2b2i.fsf@>
2024-12-11 4:32 ` Proposal: Include C Manual from RMS in Emacs git, and/or release Richard Stallman
2024-12-08 23:03 ` John ff
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