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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:287403 Archived-At: ------YFXYF1IP92YE7CY8EXWTJHDNAF2O22 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In melpa there are some others=2E The most interesting one IMO is the vterm= one=2E That does the compilation on demand=2E=20 On March 23, 2022 11:16:43 PM GMT+01:00, Stefan Monnier wrote: >Lars Ingebrigtsen [2022-03-23 12:20:17] wrote: >> Yuan Fu writes: >>> Is there any way to put a dynamic module on ELPA so that other >>> packages could use it conveniently? >> I'm not quite sure what the state of dynamic modules on ELPA is=2E >> Stefan? > >Currently, there's only one such module,m i=2Ee=2E `pq`=2E >It's not well integrated yet=2E >The way it's supposed to work (after Someone=E2=84=A2 codes it up) is tha= t >during `package-install` a chunk of ELisp in the attempts to compile >the module=2E > >Then the same chunk of ELisp should (re)compile the module as/when >needed when the ELisp package is loaded=2E Ideally, this is done from >a function, so it's not done when the package is barely loaded but when >that function is actually called (which is a more convincing evidence >that the module is needed)=2E > >Regarding distributing pre-compiled modules, there's currently no >infrastructure for that=2E We could consider it, but it can only be >a partial solution (we can't easily make sure we cover all possible >architecures, =2E=2E=2E), so the focus for now is in getting the >automated/lazy-compilation working=2E > > > Stefan > > --=20 Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail=2E Please excuse my brevity=2E ------YFXYF1IP92YE7CY8EXWTJHDNAF2O22 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In melpa there are some others=2E The most interes= ting one IMO is the vterm one=2E That does the compilation on demand=2E



On March 23, 2022 11:16:43 PM G= MT+01:00, Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro=2Eumontreal=2Eca> wrote: 
Lars Ingebrigtsen [2022-03-23 12:20:17]=
 wrote:
Yuan Fu <cas=
ouri@gmail=2Ecom> writes:
Is there any way to put a dynamic module on ELPA so that other
pac=
kages could use it conveniently?
I'm not quite sure what th=
e state of dynamic modules on ELPA is=2E
Stefan?

Cur=
rently, there's only one such module,m i=2Ee=2E `pq`=2E
It's not well in=
tegrated yet=2E
The way it's supposed to work (after Someone=E2=84=A2 co=
des it up) is that
during `package-install` a chunk of ELisp in the atte=
mpts to compile
the module=2E

Then the same chunk of ELisp should=
 (re)compile the module as/when
needed when the ELisp package is loaded=
=2E  Ideally, this is done from
a function, so it's not done when the pa=
ckage is barely loaded but when
that function is actually called (which =
is a more convincing evidence
that the module is needed)=2E

Regar=
ding distributing pre-compiled modules, there's currently no
infrastruct=
ure for that=2E  We could consider it, but it can only be
a partial solu=
tion (we can't easily make sure we cover all possible
architecures, =2E=
=2E=2E), so the focus for now is in getting the
automated/lazy-compilati=
on working=2E


        Stefan


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