From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "T.V Raman" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Should native compilation be enabled by default? 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:316828 Archived-At: but users then have to edit files from packages that they didn't write, works for a power user, but not for a typical user; unless we turn typical user into a power user, or restrict ourselves to just power users. I'm not going to personally stand in the way of native comp becoming the default because when it does I still know how to disable it as I build my own Emacs. Eli Zaretskii writes: > > From: "T.V Raman" > > Cc: Eli Zaretskii , emacs-devel@gnu.org > > Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2024 20:51:23 -0800 > > > > native comp also fails on older and more complex lisp packages one > > example is the vm mail reader -- I've been using VM since 1990 and it > > remains the biggest reason I've disabled native-comp. > > We have very easy ways of disabling native compilation of specific > Lisp files, no need to disable it globally. --