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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:298836 Archived-At: Thank you very much for your point of view, Helmut! > There may also be technical problems with 3., but the CL community > probably knows them and the workarounds. Yes to both. But let me add, as notorious trouble-maker, that shorthands consist of problems only. The fact that no-one seems to want to ask why I think that, I interpret as meaning that this is a well-known fact :-). > But I think 3. will not happen > mainly for political/ideological reasons. Let's see. I hope that ideology doesn't play a role in Emacs, and Richard simply didn't have the necessary information to change his mind.