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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:268017 Archived-At: On 12.04.2021 16:59, Stefan Monnier wrote: > I think if you want to get traction with this, you'll want to come up > with some concrete uses and a real UI which provides something that is > better (in those particular uses) than what we can already get from > existing completion systems (company/helm/ivy/younameit). I think that's a very high bar (ivy and friends are already pretty good as "selecting read" UIs too). Rather than besting them, I think the criterion can be to have something better than both built-in completing-read and icomplete as selecting-read, and could be accepted by our users as better replacement in those cases in core code which we have identified as "needs selection UI".