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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:304581 Archived-At: From: Eli Zaretskii Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2023 19:38:38 +0200 > From: Bob Rogers > Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2023 10:19:37 -0700 > > A while ago, I noticed that C-h m no longer shows keys bound to You mean "C-h b", I suppose. Yes (but I'm used to seeing them in C-h m output). > keymaps as "Prefix Command" along with their siblings when I almost > clobbered such a prefix when looking for an unused key sequence. I was > about to submit a bug report when I noticed the comment in the code that > said this was a design choice. The commit was a5d79fcfe83e by Lars > Ingebrigtsen on 2021-11-01. Lars, would you please tell us why? He already did, see https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2021-10/msg02399.html https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2021-10/msg02402.html Bottom line: they were deemed unnecessary, since the key bindings that use the prefix also show the prefix. Thanks. We could add a user option to get that back, if we think people will want that sometimes. I would prefer that, since it's what I'm used to. I would argue that the default should be on, since it almost tripped me up once. But it's probably more of a legacy thing, and in any case I suppose that ship has sailed. If adding the option is deemed desirable, I'd be happy to code it. -- Bob