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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:254918 Archived-At: --nextPart2987507.ynr4AuY2lu Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; protected-headers="v1" From: Tim Van den Langenbergh To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Subject: Re: Changes for emacs 28 Date: Wed, 09 Sep 2020 20:35:18 +0200 Message-ID: <2550291.UvNxHhSIf8@terra> In-Reply-To: References: <20200906133719.cu6yaldvenxubcqq.ref@Ergus> Personal preference for a theme should have little if any impact on Emacs defaults, as (at least on my OpenSUSE KDE desktop) Emacs is a proper citizen and follows my global theme. The only thing that doesn't follow and which I like to use a custom theme for is the modeline. On Sunday, 6 September 2020 17:00:39 CEST Elias M=E5rtenson wrote: > On Sun, 6 Sep 2020 at 22:45, Alfred M. Szmidt wrote: >=20 > > 1) Improve the default theme: Maybe set a default dark theme to make > > emacs feel more modern. Experienced users usually already have a cus= tom > > theme, so they won't be affected. There is actually some statistics > > about downloades themes here: > > > > This would be an utterly disastrous change. As an experienced user, I > > do not have a custom theme, and prefer to use the defaults of Emacs. > > >=20 > Same for me, and I'm pretty sure we're not alone. >=20 > Also, while dark background is popular right now, it's not necessarily > better. Apart from the fact that there is actual science showing that dark > backgrounds are worse for one's eyes, I believe the current trend is mere= ly > the pendulum is swinging back. >=20 > Recall that backgrounds used to be dark back in the terminal era. Then > monitors became better and white background was finally usable. Now, peop= le > who only ever have experienced white backgrounds wants to change things f= or > the sake of change, so that is now popular, even though it's actually > quantifiably worse. >=20 > This Wired article on the topic contains links to actual research on this: > https://www.wired.co.uk/article/dark-mode-chrome-android-ios-science >=20 > Regards, > Elias >=20 --nextPart2987507.ynr4AuY2lu Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part. 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