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That's all we know. X-Spam_score_int: -16 X-Spam_score: -1.7 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.7 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.001, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.249, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001 autolearn=_AUTOLEARN X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:250999 Archived-At: Hi Rudi, Thanks for the write-up. Just a few brief comments. On 20.05.2020 03:29, Rudi C wrote: > # Plain Emacs > > I have never tried plain, unconfigured emacs except for reporting bugs. > My first impression of its UI is bad. I think hiding the toolbar > improves the UI. The toolbar's look depends on the OS and the DE. They look reasonable under GNOME, for instance. > In summary, Emacs is good for some specific well-supported languages > (even then with lots of harassment and breakages), and obscure languages > that are not supported well anywhere (e.g., verilog) verilog-mode is developed externally and has an issue tracker here: https://github.com/veripool/verilog-mode/issues You might have more luck if you report whatever problems you're having. > - Complete, first-class LSP support. Without this, all the fancy > features of emacs are basically useless. Remember, a car needs first and > foremost to move people from A to B. A stationary car with a rocket > launcher is cool but also not much of a car. Have you tried Eglot?