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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:300205 Archived-At: On 19.11.2022 12:46, Philip Kaludercic wrote: > My question is, do these user-level applications have to be distributed > along with Emacs, or could they be made to be "explicitly" opt-in by > installing them from ELPA. In-core appears to usually bring a > commitment to maintain a library, and deprecating can take years. If > Emacs 29 lays the technical foundations, the low-level API for > treesitter to work, we can have packages on ELPA experiment with the > higher-level abstractions. Whatever is the most successful approach, > can be added to Emacs later on. Wasn't https://github.com/emacs-tree-sitter/elisp-tree-sitter that way for us to experiment with approaches before bring TS to the core?