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That's all we know. X-Spam_score_int: -17 X-Spam_score: -1.8 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.8 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.001, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.249, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=_AUTOLEARN X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:249482 Archived-At: On 09.05.2020 18:34, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > Not only desirable: long overdue. Emacs must learn to use the latest > technologies of supporting programming languages based on real > parsing, because the time when it could be done with regular > expressions and similar techniques has come and gone. We cannot > enable significant new IDE-like features if we don't acquire these > technologies. Cannot enable what? Eglot is in ELPA. Have you tried it? > Please someone start working on this ASAP. We sorely need that, just > look at the recent discussions on Reddit that underline these > deficiencies in Emacs. None of these discussions say "oh, if only Eglot was in the core instead of GNU ELPA, that would solve my problems". I haven't seen a single opinion like that. So maybe you could point out a specific issues or set of problems, and we could discus whether each particular one would be fixed by moving Eglot to the core, or simply improving Eglot, or by some other means. Adding some integration in Emacs that wouldn't import Eglot but would increase its discoverability is also an option, and a worthy goal IMO.