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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:267645 Archived-At: agreed it exists in various places, the next step is to distill something down that can be in Emacs Core -- Philip Kaludercic writes: > "T.V Raman" writes: >=20 > > Philip Kaludercic writes: > > > > > > In the spirit of exerimentation I'd second what Stefan suggested, > > > > Step 1: Create a selection oriented equivalent of completing-read >=20 > To clarify, this already exists with Helm, Ivy, etc. I'm working on = a > framework that is primarily centred around selection. >=20 > > 2. See how that works out -- >=20 > Yes, and this will probably take a few attempts to get right too. I = hope > there will be interest to discuss different approaches on this list.= >=20 > > 3. Then, compare it with completing-read -- and see if we can deri= ve a > > master composite function that handles both use-cases well. >=20 > This might be possible, but I'm sceptical. >=20 > --=20 > =09Philip K. --=20 =E2=99=89Id: kg:/m/0285kf1 =F0=9F=A6=AE=E2=99=89 -- ♉Id: kg:/m/0285kf1 🦮♉