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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:261404 Archived-At: Yes, I've done this in the past too and this is how I was able to say that the error was being thrown by the marshall package and related to eieio. Unfortunately I've now fixed my world where the crash doesn't repro which is why I cant send a backtrace. Stefan Monnier writes: > > geting spoken feedback without which I cannot work productively, I= 'm > > not going to go chase this further --- Emacs not starting makes > > things very hard :-) >=20 > In those cases it can be helpful to start Emacs within Emacs > (e.g. within a term.el terminal). I find it unusable in general, bu= t > I've resorted to it on some occasions. >=20 >=20 > Stefan --=20 =E2=99=89Id: kg:/m/0285kf1 =F0=9F=A6=AE=E2=99=89 -- ♉Id: kg:/m/0285kf1 🦮♉