From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?R=FCdiger?= Sonderfeld Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Frequently Enabled Packages - Emacs-24.4 survey (Please participate) Date: Sun, 08 Dec 2013 23:19:20 +0100 Message-ID: <2443550.jDX1v7sIIG@descartes> References: <87bo0x5e5p.fsf@gmail.com> <87a9gbsh9s.fsf@gmail.com> <878uvvwimw.fsf@gmx.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1386541191 18935 80.91.229.3 (8 Dec 2013 22:19:51 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2013 22:19:51 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Michael Albinus , Jambunathan K To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Dec 08 23:19:55 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Vpmhe-0000dU-Ks for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 08 Dec 2013 23:19:54 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:41015 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Vpmhd-0002pR-Ld for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 08 Dec 2013 17:19:53 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:37100) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VpmhT-0002pL-Ft for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 08 Dec 2013 17:19:51 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VpmhK-0001P0-Nf for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 08 Dec 2013 17:19:43 -0500 Original-Received: from ptmx.org ([178.63.28.110]:46884) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VpmhK-0001Ov-HH for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 08 Dec 2013 17:19:34 -0500 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ptmx.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A58A227EC; Sun, 8 Dec 2013 23:19:33 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at ptmx.org Original-Received: from ptmx.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (ptmx.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UYE7ZbLOR5+t; Sun, 8 Dec 2013 23:19:31 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from descartes.localnet (chello080108246092.7.14.vie.surfer.at [80.108.246.92]) by ptmx.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 73E68213BE; Sun, 8 Dec 2013 23:19:31 +0100 (CET) User-Agent: KMail/4.11.2 (Linux/3.11.0-12-generic; KDE/4.11.2; x86_64; ; ) In-Reply-To: <878uvvwimw.fsf@gmx.de> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 178.63.28.110 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:166219 Archived-At: On Sunday 08 December 2013 14:56:55 Michael Albinus wrote: > Jambunathan K writes: > > Exercise judgement in interpreting the results. > >=20 > > | Packages/Modes | Upvote / User count | % | > > | > > |---------------------------+---------------------+----| > > | > > | tramp | 11 | 12 | >=20 > Tramp is part of the Emacs distribution, and it is enabled by > `file-name-handler-alist'. Does this figure mean, 11 users are not aw= are > of? Or does this mean, just 11 of 89 users wish to see Tramp? The problem is that everybody started to mark and add features at diffe= rent=20 points. I wouldn't really worry whether this represents actual usage f= or a=20 default enabled feature. I didn't increase tramp (I think) and it prob= ably=20 wasn't even on the list when I voted. But I'm a regular tramp user. The format of the survey is not really optimal. I guess a better way w= ould=20 have been to use a piece of elisp to collect the data. Similar to what= the=20 org-mode folks did in their survey. But anyway the survey is probably = good=20 enough to consider the first 5 to 10 data points. Which is probably al= l that=20 matters for the actual question at hand. I'd say the survey suggests that `column-number-mode' and `show-paren-m= ode'=20 (maybe `recentf-mode') should be enabled as default. `ido-mode' is pop= ular=20 but changes the behaviour to drastically to be a default imo. Regards, R=C3=BCdiger