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That's all we know. X-Spam_score_int: -211 X-Spam_score: -21.2 X-Spam_bar: --------------------- X-Spam_report: (-21.2 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_MED=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, ENV_AND_HDR_SPF_MATCH=-0.5, NICE_REPLY_A=-3.576, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5, USER_IN_DEF_SPF_WL=-7.5 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:255047 Archived-At: Correct. And that separation shouldn't just get dismissed as they did it because they had nothing better than text.andres.ramirez writes: > Hi. TV. >=20 > >>>>> "T" =3D=3D T V Raman writes: >=20 > [...] >=20 >=20 > T> But Emacs does an outstanding job of separating content from = presentation, has an embedded > T> lisp machine, and enables that lisp machine to manipulate all= information/content that flows > T> through Emacs. >=20 > That is the separation of Policy and Mechanism according to: > "The Art of Unix programming" >=20 > BR --=20 =E2=99=89Id: kg:/m/0285kf1 =F0=9F=A6=AE=E2=99=89 -- ♉Id: kg:/m/0285kf1 🦮♉