From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Alexandre Garreau Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Contradictiory directions Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2021 16:15:00 +0100 Message-ID: <2416534.dfSVasEpVH@galex-713.eu> References: <20211211035614.15517.53830@vcs0.savannah.gnu.org> <877dc6tjz0.fsf_-_@yahoo.com> <87k0g6mivu.fsf@gnus.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="21542"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: Lars Ingebrigtsen , eliz@gnu.org, stefankangas@gmail.com, Richard Stallman , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Po Lu , emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Dec 15 16:56:32 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mxWdr-0005Pj-Nk for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 15 Dec 2021 16:56:31 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:60314 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mxWdq-0004wQ-Na for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 15 Dec 2021 10:56:30 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:36554) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mxVzq-0004g3-Ir for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 15 Dec 2021 10:15:15 -0500 Original-Received: from [2a00:5884:8305::1] (port=36508 helo=galex-713.eu) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mxVzo-0004ef-Ol; Wed, 15 Dec 2021 10:15:10 -0500 Original-Received: from gal by galex-713.eu with local (Exim 4.94.2) (envelope-from ) id 1mxVzh-0039WT-73; Wed, 15 Dec 2021 16:15:01 +0100 In-Reply-To: <87k0g6mivu.fsf@gnus.org> X-Host-Lookup-Failed: Reverse DNS lookup failed for 2a00:5884:8305::1 (failed) Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2a00:5884:8305::1; envelope-from=galex-713@galex-713.eu; helo=galex-713.eu X-Spam_score_int: -10 X-Spam_score: -1.1 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, RDNS_NONE=0.793, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:282062 Archived-At: Le merkredo, 15-a de decembro 2021, 8-a horo kaj 23:17 CET Lars=20 Ingebrigtsen a =C3=A9crit : > > It's still based on looking at the names of modules: proprietary > > modules could easily be renamed so that their filenames are the same > > as the free ones, and vice versa: it is not concrete at all. > >=20 > > The PCRE and csvtable modules are also in the public domain. > > Proprietary versions of them could be created ino the future. >=20 > There are no guarantees in this world. Anybody could be making > proprietary versions of absolutely all modules Emacs is loading, > including libc.so, and there's no technical ways of stopping Emacs from > loading them. No, libc is copylefted, and proprietariness is in great part *due* to=20 copyright. Without it, or rather, with its license hereditarilly being=20 made free, the only way to make it proprietary is obfuscation (including=20 compiling without giving source, agreed). But you can still RE the thing,= =20 it=E2=80=99s still =E2=80=9Clegally free=E2=80=9D (like linux=E2=80=99s blo= bs). There=E2=80=99s at least this=20 guarranty. > > BTW, the term "allowlist" is confusing. It took me a while to guess > > its meaning. Why not use the industry-standard term "whitelist" > > instead? > The industry standard is allowlist/blocklist. since when? that makes me curious