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From: "Rüdiger Sonderfeld" <ruediger@c-plusplus.de>
To: emacs-devel@gnu.org, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: call for more ert tests
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2013 19:18:25 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <22873922.rILsHsxLja@descartes> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <838v1zjrnl.fsf@gnu.org>

On Monday 24 June 2013 21:21:50 Eli Zaretskii wrote:
> IMO, unless we require every new feature to come with a test and a
> report that no regressions were found by running the existing tests,
> we will never get any better testability than what we have now.

I think one problem is that it's hard to write tests for many Emacs features 
and the results might not really help to improve the code quality.  E.g., the 
new browser eww.  There could certainly be some tests for lower level 
features.  But a real test coverage would require tests for the rendered 
layout.  Which would be hard to write and even worse probably breaking all the 
time when rendering is improved and thus the output changes.

Therefore having a policy to demand tests for new features might be counter 
productive.  On the other hand maintainers should at least ask for test cases 
when they think a new feature could benefit from tests.  Which in my 
experience, as somebody who is relatively new to contributing to Emacs, does 
not seem to happen at all.

An automated test report would certainly improve things.  The Gnus folks seem 
to use http://buildbot.net/.

Regards
Rüdiger




  parent reply	other threads:[~2013-06-25 17:18 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 60+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-06-24 17:31 call for more ert tests Glenn Morris
2013-06-24 18:21 ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-06-24 18:24   ` Lennart Borgman
2013-07-01 11:35     ` Andreas Röhler
2013-07-01 16:14       ` Stefan Merten
2013-07-01 16:35         ` Andreas Röhler
2013-07-01 16:37       ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-07-01 17:35         ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-07-01 18:44           ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-07-01 19:32             ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-07-01 20:34         ` Dmitry Gutov
2013-06-24 18:33   ` Sebastian Wiesner
2013-06-24 18:40     ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-06-24 18:55       ` Sebastian Wiesner
2013-06-24 19:16         ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-06-24 19:20           ` Lennart Borgman
2013-06-24 19:35           ` Óscar Fuentes
2013-06-24 19:59             ` John Wiegley
2013-06-25  1:21               ` Leo Liu
2013-06-25  2:44                 ` John Wiegley
2013-06-25  3:02                   ` Stefan Monnier
2013-06-25  2:31             ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-06-25 14:38               ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-06-25 11:06             ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2013-06-25 12:11               ` Juanma Barranquero
2013-06-25 15:15               ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-06-25 19:18                 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2013-06-25 20:12                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-06-25 20:36                   ` Sebastian Wiesner
2013-06-25 20:44                     ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2013-06-28 15:01                       ` Ted Zlatanov
2013-06-28 15:39                         ` Juanma Barranquero
2013-06-28 15:41                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2013-06-26  9:03                     ` Julien Danjou
2013-06-26  5:12                   ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-06-24 19:46   ` Glenn Morris
2013-06-25 13:33     ` Noah Lavine
2013-06-25 17:18   ` Rüdiger Sonderfeld [this message]
2013-06-25 18:53     ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-06-25 20:29       ` Dmitry Gutov
2013-07-01 11:45   ` Andreas Röhler
2013-07-01 12:43     ` Ted Zlatanov
2013-07-01 14:13       ` Andreas Röhler
2013-06-24 18:29 ` David Engster
2013-06-24 18:38   ` Glenn Morris
2013-06-24 19:04     ` David Engster
2013-06-25 22:15 ` Daniel Hackney
2013-06-26  9:22 ` Stefan Merten
2013-06-26 12:17   ` Bozhidar Batsov
2013-06-26 15:52     ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-06-26 16:03       ` Bozhidar Batsov
2013-06-26 16:22         ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-06-26 19:01           ` Dmitry Gutov
2013-06-26 19:10             ` Michael Albinus
2013-06-26 19:34               ` Dmitry Gutov
2013-06-26 19:56                 ` Michael Albinus
2013-06-26 19:28             ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-06-26 19:46             ` Teemu Likonen
2013-06-26 15:50   ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-06-29 15:11     ` Stefan Merten

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