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From: Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com>
To: Dmitry Gutov <dgutov@yandex.ru>, Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de>
Cc: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: RE: forward-comment and syntax-ppss
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2016 17:30:21 -0800 (PST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <21bb410f-b6c6-4f70-83ce-41a7d638420a@default> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <9a6f6794-69c1-6165-871c-f9695905cb81@yandex.ru>

> > Not a problem for me.  And doesn't have to be a problem for
> > vanilla Emacs users either, if the proper commands are added.
> 
> You're actually proposing a change to the current narrowing-widening UI
> and API. That should indicate that the current one is insufficient, or,
> has problems.

I didn't propose anything.  The point is that it is not a big
deal to remember two positions and return the buffer limits
to them later.

> I'm not in any hurry to adopt it, though, because it doesn't solve any
> multi-mode problems. Not by itself, at least.

I'm not asking you to adopt it.

I'm asking you not to replace narrowing, as changing buffer
limits, to something else, based on overlays or whatever.

I'm asking you not to reserve narrowing for Lisp and give
users some ersatz for it.  Users and Lisp are not two
different universes.

> > In my case:
> > 1. `C-x n n' to "focus on reading" a paragraph in the node.
> > 2. `C-x n x' to return to the full node (not all of Info).
> > End of story.
> 
> What happens if you press `C-x n x' once more?

If you have other restrictions in the ring, then it picks
up the previous one.  And so on, until it gets to the
beginning, and then it wraps around to the last one.

So if you have only one restriction, as in just #1 then #2,
above, then repeating `C-x n x' gets you back to #1: the
paragraph.

IOW, it's like any other ring in Emacs.

> In any case, you've introduced "a different kind of narrowing" yourself.
> Your `C-x n n' command does something else than just call narrow-to-region.

Oh, yes; a GIANT change (?) ;-)

(defadvice narrow-to-region (before zz-add-zone activate)
  "Push the region limits to the current `zz-izones-var'.
You can use `C-x n x' to widen to a previous buffer restriction.

This is a destructive operation. The list structure of the variable
value can be modified."
  (when (or (interactive-p)  zz-add-zone-anyway-p)
    (let ((start  (ad-get-arg 0))
          (end    (ad-get-arg 1)))
      (unless start (setq start  (region-beginning))) ; Needed for Emacs 20.
      (unless end   (setq end    (region-end)))
      (zz-add-zone start end nil nil nil 'MSG))))

Pretty drastic, huh?  It adds the restriction to a ring variable.



  reply	other threads:[~2016-12-17  1:30 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 299+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-11-28 19:50 Preview: portable dumper Daniel Colascione
2016-11-28 19:58 ` Burton Samograd
2016-11-28 20:11   ` Daniel Colascione
2016-11-28 20:12 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-11-28 20:14   ` Daniel Colascione
2016-11-28 20:16     ` Daniel Colascione
2016-11-28 20:29     ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-11-28 20:20   ` John Wiegley
2016-11-28 20:22     ` Daniel Colascione
2016-11-28 20:26       ` John Wiegley
2016-11-28 20:31         ` Daniel Colascione
2016-11-28 20:37           ` Burton Samograd
2016-11-28 20:44             ` Daniel Colascione
2016-11-29 16:02               ` Ted Zlatanov
2016-11-29 17:58                 ` Daniel Colascione
2016-11-29 16:48               ` Richard Stallman
2016-11-29 17:32                 ` Daniel Colascione
2016-11-29 19:55                   ` Philippe Vaucher
2016-11-29 17:43                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-11-29 17:49                   ` Daniel Colascione
2016-11-29 18:17                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-11-29 18:03                   ` John Wiegley
2016-11-29 18:23                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-11-29 18:49                       ` Daniel Colascione
2016-11-29 19:02                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-12-01  9:18                         ` Richard Stallman
2016-12-01 18:11                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-12-02  4:28                             ` Ken Raeburn
2016-12-02  4:41                               ` Daniel Colascione
2016-12-02  8:08                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-12-02  8:03                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-12-02 17:24                                 ` Ken Raeburn
2016-11-28 20:39           ` John Wiegley
2016-11-28 20:34         ` Burton Samograd
2016-11-28 20:31     ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-11-28 20:21   ` Paul Eggert
2016-11-28 20:34     ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-11-28 20:47       ` John Wiegley
2016-11-28 21:14         ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-11-28 21:55           ` Daniel Colascione
2016-11-28 22:18           ` John Wiegley
2016-11-29 18:40             ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-11-29 19:11               ` John Wiegley
2016-11-29 20:07                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-11-29 20:29                   ` John Wiegley
2016-11-29 20:36                     ` Daniel Colascione
2016-11-29 21:30                       ` John Wiegley
2016-11-30  8:26                       ` Philippe Vaucher
2016-11-29 19:12               ` Daniel Colascione
2016-11-29 16:55   ` Richard Stallman
2016-11-29 18:39     ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-11-29 19:03       ` Daniel Colascione
2016-11-29 19:59         ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-11-29 20:28           ` John Wiegley
2016-11-29 19:13       ` Paul Eggert
2016-11-29 19:35         ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-11-29 20:54           ` Paul Eggert
2016-11-30 16:38             ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-11-30 18:57               ` John Wiegley
2016-11-30 19:14                 ` Daniel Colascione
2016-11-30 21:03                   ` John Wiegley
2016-11-30 21:06                     ` Paul Eggert
2016-11-30 21:44                       ` John Wiegley
2016-12-01  3:32                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-12-01  9:16                         ` Paul Eggert
2016-12-01 17:26                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-12-01 17:35                             ` Daniel Colascione
2016-12-01 17:58                             ` Paul Eggert
2016-11-30 21:35                     ` Daniel Colascione
2016-11-30 21:44                       ` John Wiegley
2016-11-30 21:50                         ` Daniel Colascione
2016-11-30 22:20                           ` John Wiegley
2016-12-01  1:37                           ` Paul Eggert
2016-12-01  1:45                             ` Daniel Colascione
2016-12-01  3:47                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-12-01  4:10                             ` John Wiegley
2016-12-01  4:12                               ` Daniel Colascione
2016-12-01  4:49                                 ` John Wiegley
2016-12-01  5:12                                   ` Daniel Colascione
2016-12-01  9:03                                     ` Matt Armstrong
2016-12-02  8:10                                       ` John Wiegley
2016-12-01  9:18                                     ` Phillip Lord
2016-12-01  4:10                             ` Daniel Colascione
2016-12-01  3:41                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-11-30 19:29                 ` Philippe Vaucher
2016-11-30 19:45                   ` Daniel Colascione
2016-11-30 21:06               ` Paul Eggert
2016-12-01  9:18       ` Richard Stallman
2016-12-01 18:09         ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-12-02  2:18           ` Stefan Monnier
2016-12-02  7:54             ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-12-02  8:08               ` John Wiegley
2016-12-02  8:59                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-12-02 19:39                   ` John Wiegley
2016-12-02 20:11                     ` Karl Fogel
2016-12-02 21:22                       ` Daniel Colascione
2016-12-02 22:06                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-12-02 23:15                         ` Karl Fogel
2016-12-15 14:28                         ` Philippe Vaucher
2017-10-18 23:36                           ` Kaushal Modi
2017-10-19 10:12                             ` Jeremie Courreges-Anglas
2018-02-12 20:18                               ` Daniel Colascione
2018-02-13 16:37                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-02-14 21:03                                   ` Philipp Stephani
2018-02-15  0:42                                     ` Daniel Colascione
2018-02-15 23:31                                   ` Ken Brown
2018-02-15 23:36                                     ` Daniel Colascione
2018-02-16  1:56                                       ` Ken Brown
2018-02-16  2:36                                         ` Daniel Colascione
2018-02-17 23:38                                           ` Ken Brown
2018-02-17 23:59                                             ` Ken Brown
2018-02-18  0:02                                             ` Daniel Colascione
2018-02-19 13:30                                               ` Ken Brown
2018-02-19 17:03                                                 ` Daniel Colascione
2018-02-19 22:33                                                   ` Ken Brown
2018-02-20 16:32                                                     ` Ken Brown
2018-02-20 17:23                                                       ` Daniel Colascione
2018-02-20  1:16                                                   ` Andy Moreton
2018-02-17  1:01                                   ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2018-02-19 17:06                                     ` Daniel Colascione
2018-02-19 22:00                                       ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2018-02-17 11:53                                   ` Charles A. Roelli
2018-02-17 12:09                                     ` Alan Third
2018-02-17 14:12                                       ` Charles A. Roelli
2018-02-20  0:54                                   ` Andy Moreton
2018-02-15  4:28                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-02-15 22:13                                   ` Daniel Colascione
2018-02-15 22:30                                     ` Paul Eggert
2018-02-15 22:35                                       ` Daniel Colascione
2018-02-15 22:56                                         ` Paul Eggert
2018-02-15 22:35                                     ` Paul Eggert
2018-02-15 18:34                                 ` andres.ramirez
2018-02-19 22:01                                 ` Daniele Nicolodi
2018-02-20  0:28                                   ` Daniel Colascione
2016-12-02 22:06                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-12-02 22:28                         ` Daniel Colascione
2016-12-03  8:48                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-12-03  9:34                             ` Daniel Colascione
2016-12-03 12:47                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-12-03 14:36                                 ` Alan Mackenzie
2016-12-03 15:11                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-12-04 12:20                                     ` Alan Mackenzie
2016-12-04 12:48                                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-12-04 15:53                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-12-03 17:36                                   ` Daniel Colascione
2016-12-03 17:40                                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-12-03 21:09                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2016-12-03 21:31                                         ` Daniel Colascione
2016-12-04  4:25                                           ` Stefan Monnier
2016-12-04 12:34                                         ` Alan Mackenzie
2016-12-04 12:51                                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-12-04 14:08                                           ` Stefan Monnier
2016-12-04 15:22                                             ` Alan Mackenzie
2016-12-04 22:24                                             ` forward-comment and syntax-ppss (was: Preview: portable dumper) Stefan Monnier
2016-12-06 19:55                                               ` Alan Mackenzie
2016-12-06 22:56                                                 ` forward-comment and syntax-ppss Stefan Monnier
2016-12-07  6:55                                                   ` Andreas Röhler
2016-12-07 14:01                                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2016-12-07 14:49                                                       ` Andreas Röhler
2016-12-07 14:53                                                         ` Clément Pit--Claudel
2016-12-07 22:04                                                           ` Alan Mackenzie
2016-12-07 22:23                                                             ` Clément Pit--Claudel
2016-12-08 19:31                                                               ` Alan Mackenzie
2016-12-08 19:54                                                                 ` Clément Pit--Claudel
2016-12-09  8:37                                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-12-08  2:32                                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2016-12-08 20:15                                                               ` Alan Mackenzie
2016-12-08 20:34                                                                 ` Clément Pit--Claudel
2016-12-08 21:25                                                                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-12-08 21:35                                                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2016-12-08 21:13                                                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2016-12-09 18:00                                                                   ` Alan Mackenzie
2016-12-09 18:47                                                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2016-12-09 22:33                                                                       ` Clément Pit--Claudel
2016-12-09 23:09                                                                         ` Alan Mackenzie
2016-12-10  6:56                                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-12-10 18:39                                                                       ` Andreas Röhler
2016-12-08 21:24                                                                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-12-08 21:47                                                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2016-12-09  7:39                                                                     ` Andreas Röhler
2016-12-09 19:07                                                                   ` Alan Mackenzie
2016-12-09 23:30                                                                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-12-11  0:24                                                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2016-12-11 10:17                                                                       ` Alan Mackenzie
2016-12-11 10:40                                                                         ` Andreas Röhler
2016-12-16  1:33                                                                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-12-16  2:06                                                                           ` Drew Adams
2016-12-16  8:12                                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-12-16 12:32                                                                             ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-12-16 16:22                                                                               ` Drew Adams
2016-12-16 19:14                                                                                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-12-16 23:16                                                                                   ` Drew Adams
2016-12-17  0:08                                                                                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-12-16 19:25                                                                               ` Alan Mackenzie
2016-12-16 20:06                                                                                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-12-16 23:16                                                                                   ` Drew Adams
2016-12-17  0:42                                                                                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-12-17  1:30                                                                                       ` Drew Adams [this message]
2016-12-17  1:40                                                                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2016-12-17  2:26                                                                                           ` Drew Adams
2016-12-17 14:37                                                                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2016-12-16 14:24                                                                             ` Clément Pit--Claudel
2016-12-16 16:22                                                                               ` Drew Adams
2016-12-16 19:50                                                                                 ` Clément Pit--Claudel
2016-12-16 23:16                                                                                   ` Drew Adams
2016-12-17  2:39                                                                                     ` Clément Pit--Claudel
2016-12-17  4:50                                                                                       ` Wording of the Elisp manuals (was: forward-comment and syntax-ppss) Marcin Borkowski
2016-12-20  9:22                                                                                         ` Wording of the Elisp manuals Michael Heerdegen
2016-12-20 10:52                                                                                         ` Wording of the Elisp manuals (was: forward-comment and syntax-ppss) Jean-Christophe Helary
2016-12-20 16:01                                                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
     [not found]                                                                             ` <<83oa0c8f7r.fsf@gnu.org>
2016-12-16 16:22                                                                               ` forward-comment and syntax-ppss Drew Adams
2016-12-16 21:00                                                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
     [not found]                                                                                 ` <<8337hn8u81.fsf@gnu.org>
2016-12-16 23:16                                                                                   ` Drew Adams
2016-12-16 20:06                                                                           ` Alan Mackenzie
2016-12-16 22:08                                                                             ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-12-16 23:08                                                                               ` Stefan Monnier
2016-12-17  0:18                                                                                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-12-17  7:37                                                                                   ` Marcin Borkowski
2016-12-17  7:42                                                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-12-17 14:41                                                                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2016-12-17 14:49                                                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-12-17 15:09                                                                                       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2016-12-18 20:08                                                                                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2017-02-05 23:33                                                                                         ` Drew Adams
2016-12-17 15:38                                                                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2016-12-19  2:31                                                                                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-12-19 13:12                                                                                           ` Stefan Monnier
2016-12-19 13:34                                                                                             ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-12-19 14:17                                                                                               ` Stefan Monnier
2016-12-19 23:16                                                                                                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-12-20 13:33                                                                                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2017-11-29 23:48                                                                                                     ` multi-modes and widen (again), was: " Dmitry Gutov
2017-11-30 13:05                                                                                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2017-12-01 23:57                                                                                                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-12-16 23:16                                                                               ` Drew Adams
2016-12-09  8:35                                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-12-09 17:08                                                                   ` Alan Mackenzie
2016-12-09 17:22                                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-12-09 21:55                                                                       ` Richard Stallman
2016-12-03 21:31                                   ` Preview: portable dumper Richard Stallman
2016-12-04 12:41                                     ` Alan Mackenzie
2016-12-03 17:41                                 ` Paul Eggert
2016-12-03 19:49                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-12-03 21:30                                 ` Richard Stallman
2016-12-04  3:31                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-12-04 23:03                                     ` Richard Stallman
2016-12-03 17:24                               ` Paul Eggert
2016-12-03 15:56                             ` Stefan Monnier
2016-12-03 21:31                               ` Richard Stallman
2016-12-04 23:05                             ` Richard Stallman
2016-12-02 22:29                         ` John Wiegley
2016-12-03 21:28                         ` Richard Stallman
2016-12-04 15:57                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-12-04 17:12                             ` Daniel Colascione
2016-12-04 23:07                               ` Richard Stallman
2016-12-05  0:24                                 ` Daniel Colascione
2016-12-06 10:38                               ` Philippe Vaucher
2016-12-02  9:00               ` Philippe Vaucher
2016-12-02 10:56                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-05-26 19:48                   ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2017-05-26 20:26                     ` Kaushal Modi
2017-05-27  7:27                       ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2016-12-02 13:04               ` Stefan Monnier
2016-12-02 14:45                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-12-02 14:51                   ` Stefan Monnier
2016-12-02 22:24                     ` Richard Stallman
2016-12-02 23:32                       ` Stefan Monnier
2016-12-03  8:28                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-12-02 23:42                     ` Paul Eggert
2016-12-02 15:38                   ` Daniel Colascione
2016-12-02 17:26                   ` Ken Raeburn
2016-12-02 17:47                     ` Paul Eggert
     [not found]                   ` <<jwvlgvyv10x.fsf-monnier+Inbox@gnu.org>
     [not found]                     ` <<E1cCwGF-0002PT-Kq@fencepost.gnu.org>
2016-12-03  0:07                       ` Drew Adams
2016-12-03  8:25                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-12-03 20:40                           ` Joost Kremers
2016-12-03 21:30                         ` Richard Stallman
     [not found]                   ` <<<jwvlgvyv10x.fsf-monnier+Inbox@gnu.org>
     [not found]                     ` <<<E1cCwGF-0002PT-Kq@fencepost.gnu.org>
     [not found]                       ` <<2b63d48d-a678-49c2-a3a9-4f91d8d8bdb4@default>
     [not found]                         ` <<8337i5mnb5.fsf@gnu.org>
2016-12-03 16:14                           ` Drew Adams
2016-12-03 16:42                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-12-02 14:27           ` Richard Stallman
2016-11-28 21:14 ` Paul Eggert
2016-11-28 23:01 ` Stefan Monnier
2016-11-28 23:17   ` Daniel Colascione
2016-11-29 13:06     ` Stefan Monnier
2016-11-29 21:19       ` Daniel Colascione
2016-11-29 21:35         ` Paul Eggert
2016-11-29 21:50           ` Daniel Colascione
2016-11-29 22:01             ` Paul Eggert
2016-11-30  0:37               ` Daniel Colascione
2016-11-30  7:35                 ` Paul Eggert
2016-11-30 13:33                   ` Stefan Monnier
2016-11-30 20:07               ` Richard Stallman
2016-11-30 20:18                 ` Daniel Colascione
2016-12-03 21:32                   ` Richard Stallman
2016-12-03 21:37                     ` Daniel Colascione
2016-12-04 23:03                       ` Richard Stallman
2016-12-03 21:54                     ` Paul Eggert
2016-11-29 22:01           ` Stefan Monnier
2016-11-29 22:22           ` Philipp Stephani
2016-11-29 22:34             ` Paul Eggert

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