From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Ulrich Mueller Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Upcoming loss of usability of Emacs source files and Emacs. Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2015 18:11:57 +0200 Message-ID: <21886.63821.737412.422567@a1i15.kph.uni-mainz.de> References: <20150615142237.GA3517@acm.fritz.box> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1434384805 9978 80.91.229.3 (15 Jun 2015 16:13:25 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2015 16:13:25 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Alan Mackenzie Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Jun 15 18:13:17 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Z4X05-0001fe-H1 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 15 Jun 2015 18:12:41 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:35260 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Z4X04-0003vB-KQ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 15 Jun 2015 12:12:40 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:59055) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Z4Wzd-0003ha-Mt for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 15 Jun 2015 12:12:14 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Z4Wza-0006s3-Rs for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 15 Jun 2015 12:12:13 -0400 Original-Received: from a1www.kph.uni-mainz.de ([134.93.134.1]:48509) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Z4Wza-0006n4-Ie for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 15 Jun 2015 12:12:10 -0400 Original-Received: from a1i15.kph.uni-mainz.de (a1i15.kph.uni-mainz.de [134.93.134.92]) by a1www.kph.uni-mainz.de (8.14.9/8.14.7) with ESMTP id t5FGBwXA005878; Mon, 15 Jun 2015 18:11:58 +0200 Original-Received: from a1i15.kph.uni-mainz.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by a1i15.kph.uni-mainz.de (8.14.8/8.14.2) with ESMTP id t5FGBw9k014087; Mon, 15 Jun 2015 18:11:58 +0200 Original-Received: (from ulm@localhost) by a1i15.kph.uni-mainz.de (8.14.8/8.14.8/Submit) id t5FGBwwq014083; Mon, 15 Jun 2015 18:11:58 +0200 In-Reply-To: <20150615142237.GA3517@acm.fritz.box> X-Mailer: VM 8.2.0b under 24.3.1 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by a1www.kph.uni-mainz.de id t5FGBwXA005878 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 134.93.134.1 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:187182 Archived-At: >>>>> On Mon, 15 Jun 2015, Alan Mackenzie wrote: > My view is that the curly quotes should not replace 0x60 and 0x27 in ou= r > sources, but that the option to display them as curly quotes should be > made available to those that want it. > As far as I am aware, there has been no poll to gather and analyse the > views of Emacs developers on these changes, much less one for Emacs > users. This is a Bad Thing. > What do people think? U+0060 shouldn't be used as a quote character, for the simple reason that it isn't one. U+0060 is uniquely defined as the GRAVE ACCENT character, and as such it doesn't form a pair with U+0027 APOSTROPHE. (It forms a pair with U+00B4 ACUTE ACCENT: `=C2=B4 but the latter is outside of the ASCII range, and of course both are unsuitable as quotes.) So please get rid of U+0060 in all places where it is (ab)used as a quote character rather sooner than later, and use =E2=80=98=E2=80=99 (U= +2018 U+2019) instead. And if an ASCII-only alternative is needed, it should be either '' or "". The following article (written 15 years ago) summarises the situation well: http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~mgk25/ucs/quotes.html Ulrich