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X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:400d:c09::249 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:185375 Archived-At: Correct -- re a thread might be accessing multiple buffers / frames -- I was thinking more along the lines of 1. Messages displayed to the user should come from threads handling the UI -- and roughly equated each thread of control to a user-visible Frame (admittedly a very coarse granularity of threading but better than the present) and in that world, 2. Suggested that some app the user launches from a frame e.g. get news, update packages etc should not cause UI changes such as flickering messages in other frames where one i happily editting. Stephen J. Turnbull writes: > raman writes: > > > thinking forward to concutrrent/multi-threaded emacs, it would be > > ideal if messages displayed from a thread running in a frame was > > limited to that frame. > > Does that actually make sense? The point of threads is shared state, > a thread might very well be accessing multiple buffers/frames. > > > Food for thought: Should we in that world have a single *Messages* > > buffer where all messages land up -- or a per-frame *Messages* > > buffer with an additional Global-Messages buffer that shows up > > everywhere -- that message queue could then be sued to display > > truly urgent alerts etc. > > That's an interesting idea. -- --