From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: RE: Have you all gone crazy? Was: On being web-friendly and why info must die Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2014 00:31:30 +0900 Message-ID: <21657.35538.656125.769730@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> References: <87388bnzha.fsf@newcastle.ac.uk> <87k31mdbhe.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87tx0qiv45.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <87h9wqd3i5.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87fvc8kdsp.fsf@gnu.org> <6e11cd85-09a0-4b7a-baa2-0c810bdebbce@default> <871tnsg0w7.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <834msoqrsg.fsf@gnu.org> <87k31ki3tc.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <83zjafpu3b.fsf@gnu.org> <87d27b5hu0.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <83a92fow6r.fsf@gnu.org> <21656.62195.233339.678762@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <5a15d51d-e061-4b28-a06e-69e39058b8fa@default> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1419348746 4604 80.91.229.3 (23 Dec 2014 15:32:26 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2014 15:32:26 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Eli Zaretskii , lennart.borgman@gmail.com, adatgyujto@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Drew Adams Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Dec 23 16:32:01 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Y3RRJ-0000HT-Je for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 23 Dec 2014 16:32:01 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:45170 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y3RRI-0001ck-RI for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 23 Dec 2014 10:32:00 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:54972) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y3RR8-0001ce-VM for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 23 Dec 2014 10:31:58 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y3RR1-000451-H5 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 23 Dec 2014 10:31:50 -0500 Original-Received: from shako.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp ([130.158.97.161]:43996) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y3RQs-00042q-B1; Tue, 23 Dec 2014 10:31:34 -0500 Original-Received: from uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp [130.158.99.156]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by shako.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DAA141C38A9; Wed, 24 Dec 2014 00:31:30 +0900 (JST) Original-Received: by uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (Postfix, from userid 1000) id B8DD11A2CFC; Wed, 24 Dec 2014 00:31:30 +0900 (JST) In-Reply-To: <5a15d51d-e061-4b28-a06e-69e39058b8fa@default> X-Mailer: VM undefined under 21.5 (beta34) "kale" acf1c26e3019 XEmacs Lucid (x86_64-unknown-linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 130.158.97.161 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:180564 Archived-At: Drew Adams writes: > > > she wants to read about "cut and paste". > > You mean 12.3 =E2=80=9CCut and Paste=E2=80=9D Operations on Graphica= l Displays > > right? I agree that the *user* wants to be there, but I'm not sure > > *we* want her to be there. In particular, on "i cut" I would be > > very tempted to land her in the parent, "Killing and Moving Text". =20 >=20 > Irrelevant to this discussion. Look who's talking! But no, this *is* relevant to this discussion. The point (which was made explicitly) is that Eli and I disgree on "the right" node for the index; in such cases Google style "implicit" indexing based on user behavior which provides a variety of choices may be more useful than Info-style indexing based on focused choices by knowledgeable editors. As Paul Eggert points out, the two approaches are complementary for most users, with different users tending to prefer one or the other to some degree.