From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Dmitry Gutov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Changes for emacs 28 Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2020 14:17:26 +0300 Message-ID: <21400216-00e0-9980-da24-a784a5b1ae0c@yandex.ru> References: <20200910231420.kvqg6ohvxetpup5c.ref@Ergus> <20200910231420.kvqg6ohvxetpup5c@Ergus> <83zh5whl5p.fsf@gnu.org> <20200911105932.t2gvutwnry6qbyz6@Ergus> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="811"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.10.0 Cc: rekado@elephly.net, ghe@sdf.org, Eli Zaretskii , drew.adams@oracle.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Ergus Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Sep 11 13:18:14 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kGh4I-00008P-Oq for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 11 Sep 2020 13:18:14 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:51014 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kGh4H-0000uj-Rh for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 11 Sep 2020 07:18:13 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:43790) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kGh3c-0000U6-0N for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 11 Sep 2020 07:17:32 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-lf1-x134.google.com ([2a00:1450:4864:20::134]:46693) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kGh3a-0007U3-6f; Fri, 11 Sep 2020 07:17:31 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-lf1-x134.google.com with SMTP id b22so1885072lfs.13; Fri, 11 Sep 2020 04:17:29 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=sender:subject:to:cc:references:from:message-id:date:user-agent :mime-version:in-reply-to:content-language:content-transfer-encoding; bh=vxACOKvedsGDeXraeHPD5OWcj4lS7ajc3ehqcmB0zR0=; b=Wbp1SPjJF1cs77vvsFs7ljytup/ulub1GcDoPK1ortcZb9maVC69dScmo0m+pVuKM7 fVDKL5IbbJjT1I+Mps1R/JDfP6kszGCWClcIBP/CLBBs1ezl4Nu8uL8nLzF6nFR1g3VR /4Ly2gKGzK08vc53M9X4TMGkScfr0alLriwzjKCaz/j4aZ/+whkgDG8D8QqB5MY2E85S J1mKOji+lyhOrPBbXBIwH2MOvnGrOcdbzbSIthn2lRIj4MCMjM3uYnPlfYDZq8KB+qIT JEqDoInFV7KMC6MnDotmINrKHOPLLUktbmqYlj5l1/42a7waMn4OTp80ECF1CTriXM6S +bgw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:sender:subject:to:cc:references:from:message-id :date:user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-language :content-transfer-encoding; bh=vxACOKvedsGDeXraeHPD5OWcj4lS7ajc3ehqcmB0zR0=; b=Xr7G/XNeniqaoGuRUa4D6THspWGUlq1mDUcq7ojXkdDM9qi+Xdsn1viZx5dVlrhkSh PfhygM2J0jR8sGxXo96jhQ5AToNDSZUQwbGnJ0lg9POkOLPJL0zlCdQzEYohkWw+GB5Q NYOWWEuCVsek4Yk8FQpIWsZRLonaAZXDavAL6xi6huC/nvUmU10iopwuRLsbgaIJmxbP sQfjWsK+82Nk23Bi0GtSXan8oWv/J+PiCiyP2qClQdHZp+oQDSD4Ezh6HstLsglnseGL oRuzVPqJhgwRHHZ5WEQH/n+14bdcABUTD/aFUu+k90IYfspW43sPGSgVXcOk6bCiWYHw jheQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532ifdRy+YYL/4kXa+bssn/J1EB6GuN/632LEoaCffTrb0ba+3cB gapO0cuMP51C8bemU2qY9nev3Q5mZP1Y7A== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJzpHkP6V+un4HWipsPDAjHCm/S2A+JjyFM0k/J9gVdoc+Jfay67mzuf+BHZmQQAPtf1u7NPfw== X-Received: by 2002:a19:8286:: with SMTP id e128mr128368lfd.307.1599823047670; Fri, 11 Sep 2020 04:17:27 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from [192.168.0.104] ([94.229.108.16]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id s20sm37144lfs.135.2020.09.11.04.17.26 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 11 Sep 2020 04:17:27 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20200911105932.t2gvutwnry6qbyz6@Ergus> Content-Language: en-US Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2a00:1450:4864:20::134; envelope-from=raaahh@gmail.com; helo=mail-lf1-x134.google.com X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: No matching host in p0f cache. That's all we know. X-Spam_score_int: -39 X-Spam_score: -4.0 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.0 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.25, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.25, NICE_REPLY_A=-2.469, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:255141 Archived-At: On 11.09.2020 13:59, Ergus wrote: >> A global mode like undo-redo-mode, like suggested by Ergus, would >> avoid both of these problems. We'd only need to find a key for >> 'undo-redo'. >> >> Perhaps, 'M-_' and 'C-?'? That's what undo-tree uses by default. > > I use C-/ for undo so C-? in my keyboard is C-S-/ so it is perfect. But > for people using C-_ (C-S--) maybe M-_ (M-S--) will make more > sense (BTW: in Spanish keyboard it does). Right, and I did mean using both key sequences. Since default Emacs binds 'undo' to both 'C-_' and 'C-/', it would make sense to add a corresponding 'redo' binding to each using nearby keys.