From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Dmitry Gutov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Seeking a "Patch Champion" Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2016 23:27:37 +0300 Message-ID: <211814b3-3aeb-9dfb-117c-0459847dd1fc@yandex.ru> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1461616101 18380 80.91.229.3 (25 Apr 2016 20:28:21 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2016 20:28:21 +0000 (UTC) To: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen , emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Apr 25 22:28:16 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1aun79-0001MW-9N for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 25 Apr 2016 22:28:15 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:34055 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aun78-0000gN-LU for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 25 Apr 2016 16:28:14 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:58436) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aun6t-0000dR-VQ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 25 Apr 2016 16:28:00 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aun6p-0008Co-Um for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 25 Apr 2016 16:27:59 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-wm0-x241.google.com ([2a00:1450:400c:c09::241]:32784) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aun6p-0008Ch-Ni for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 25 Apr 2016 16:27:55 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-wm0-x241.google.com with SMTP id r12so24735998wme.0 for ; Mon, 25 Apr 2016 13:27:55 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=sender:subject:to:references:from:message-id:date:user-agent :mime-version:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=yH8C8kPHO7JXchP8rEj6+n+uhdF7SRhqewOYKgCJDi4=; b=z25+Xma0IriWqyQ0VLstEXWn4SIsRs9YrRdZqpCpRAnB6UsBz8TW6EcCXohx0vWR5r eIwGs+JLTfMpV+Qj0vNk8QSR4M1PfszalCBQEjyMXfiXt9a6rLnj+OCaI1dFZMwN3+Sm oCkwCOd4B/esnk4o1rZNa9psYQtYwdYs+OW9UKgwVOqkw08B2ymXdJb+N3/ZgDqLS8CP f+VEo/6Yg1EMBQuT/+AfJ1iFjBO+mME6hFxzt8hHR+2F4ocvDin8AB76CXNjV+v6dtCg n/Cco1KO614heS9GwBISzh8Psj7ZQAD1UsxbirGW56lFnnNuD3boiqTAl6idCMFz1yNJ gUdA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:sender:subject:to:references:from:message-id :date:user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=yH8C8kPHO7JXchP8rEj6+n+uhdF7SRhqewOYKgCJDi4=; b=LoKYbHEFzhRC31qyueWF6R6WdPZvRQl/xrTmkUISogQc6Vm2T7Ann77X26n98jGsN5 4MsNhxZx6ei3SAQ3I5uKiBafag1jey/chDzGWyTZZuj26jga+qdL2kxORHDXWaTru1um s4XQaRBr4mi4+/tzMovvNPpovY3yDGWiaI0XbsuuKH9RuhrC4KuvJ3q/yLpRAHhAGqOk j6t/5ss2Je6FXR4UA8SonRU2xF2nww60u8m8S4WhpFoJzXl8wpsaSySbkpmIPBamWbko SJejqHmI6SSOV1qV07qicDFygM/5JGD7dlwQihHm6XpKMCGK3FMMtcxwraa0myJPcupm akjQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOPr4FU5mKzilwtNfQXtus/qDPMTKXMfmvjN7hUX/0x5UCMV4lHkk7yf+cRn+gFB6YvEjg== X-Received: by 10.194.9.201 with SMTP id c9mr36895820wjb.7.1461616060098; Mon, 25 Apr 2016 13:27:40 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([185.105.175.24]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id r75sm19841093wme.18.2016.04.25.13.27.38 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 25 Apr 2016 13:27:39 -0700 (PDT) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.0 In-Reply-To: X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2a00:1450:400c:c09::241 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:203308 Archived-At: On 04/25/2016 07:40 PM, Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen wrote: > I'm afraid I don't think this is likely to help much. Since it's not > hooked up to the bug tracker, the list of patches on that site will just > grow increasingly outdated. Having somebody herd a patch after it's > already been applied is a waste of everybody's time. > > And I don't think adding yet another formality to the already pretty > complicated "apply this patch already" "work flow" (for want of a better > word) is the way to go. I'm inclined to agree. > But the lost patch situation in Emacs is a genuine problem, and one that > I think may be disencouraging new contributors. Here's what I think > should happen: I don't know if it is: I've just went through the lists, and didn't find a single patch within my area of interest that had "fallen through the cracks". So I basically had to go and sort all of them into Accepted, RFC and Rejected. And several belonging to the issues where the discussions hadn't come to the conclusion yet (those I've left untouched). > 1) Whenever somebody posts a patch to emacs-devel, and you don't feel > like applying it at once, tell them "send this via `M-x > report-emacs-bug', otherwise it'll never be applied". This seems to work well enough. Until we have evidence to the contrary, the ability to show bugs with patches in debbugs should be sufficient, I think. Or maybe Patchwork will help other contributors better, I don't know. If we had switched to a better bug tracker, on the other hand... :)