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That's all we know. X-Spam_score_int: -16 X-Spam_score: -1.7 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.7 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.001, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.249, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001 autolearn=_AUTOLEARN X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:250391 Archived-At: On 15.05.2020 16:40, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> Cc:rms@gnu.org,joostkremers@fastmail.fm,ams@gnu.org,Emacs-devel@gnu.org, >> monnier@iro.umontreal.ca,pcr910303@icloud.com,phillip.lord@russet.org.uk >> From: Dmitry Gutov >> Date: Fri, 15 May 2020 15:25:59 +0300 >> >>> Except that they fly in the face of what Stefan said and what "the >>> majority of users" out there think. Why is that? >> Could you clarify what you mean? Is it that passage? >> >> GNU packages that are available for use with Emacs, but are >> distributed separately from Emacs itself, for reasons of space, etc >> >> They are indeed "available to use" and "distributed separately". > But only "for reasons of space, etc.". There are multiple ways to interpret that, indeed. So we should decide on what GNU ELPA means to us, a then clarify that "etc".