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That's all we know. X-Spam_score_int: -17 X-Spam_score: -1.8 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.8 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.001, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.249, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=_AUTOLEARN X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:250655 Archived-At: On 17.05.2020 21:52, Stefan Kangas wrote: > Why are > the authors of "helpful.el" not helping us mainline some of their great > innovation, for example? I think Wilfred worked on some patch or other, to upstream some of the improvements. But not the whole of it. Maybe because it's a much bigger job: to port the code, to satisfy all the historically accumulated edge cases, and to spend a few weeks arguing with whoever thinks the previous behavior was better at least in some respect. We don't really have a conceptual framework for assessing big breaking changes.