From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Ulrich Mueller Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: quotation marks (was: Re: TUTORIAL.de updated) Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 19:50:03 +0100 Message-ID: <20248.26075.153199.234934@a1i15.kph.uni-mainz.de> References: <20120118.161204.348826368.wl@gnu.org> <20248.15413.907023.894588@a1i15.kph.uni-mainz.de> <87zkdj5zl3.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1326999023 14595 80.91.229.12 (19 Jan 2012 18:50:23 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 18:50:23 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: "Stephen J. Turnbull" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Jan 19 19:50:20 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Rnx3y-0004u0-Le for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 19 Jan 2012 19:50:18 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:35933 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Rnx3y-0001AS-8h for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 19 Jan 2012 13:50:18 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:38489) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Rnx3v-000197-2Z for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 19 Jan 2012 13:50:16 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Rnx3t-000137-Pi for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 19 Jan 2012 13:50:15 -0500 Original-Received: from a1iwww1.kph.uni-mainz.de ([134.93.134.1]:37847) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Rnx3t-000100-Da for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 19 Jan 2012 13:50:13 -0500 Original-Received: from a1i15.kph.uni-mainz.de (a1i15.kph.uni-mainz.de [134.93.134.92]) by a1iwww1.kph.uni-mainz.de (8.14.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id q0JIo3jw013055; Thu, 19 Jan 2012 19:50:03 +0100 Original-Received: from a1i15.kph.uni-mainz.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by a1i15.kph.uni-mainz.de (8.14.5/8.14.2) with ESMTP id q0JIo3X0015697; Thu, 19 Jan 2012 19:50:03 +0100 Original-Received: (from ulm@localhost) by a1i15.kph.uni-mainz.de (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) id q0JIo3cr015696; Thu, 19 Jan 2012 19:50:03 +0100 In-Reply-To: <87zkdj5zl3.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> X-Mailer: VM 8.2.0b under 23.3.4 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 134.93.134.1 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:147743 Archived-At: >>>>> On Fri, 20 Jan 2012, Stephen J Turnbull wrote: >> (BTW, are there any plans to stop that abuse of the grave accent as >> an opening quotation mark in the rest of the documentation? Or am I >> the only one who uses fonts where the `' pair looks so ugly and >> asymmetric?) > In printed documentation TeX will turn it into proper quotation > marks. So, probably no change in Texinfo sources. Shouldn't it be written as @samp{foo} in Texinfo sources anyway? > It should be possible to patch the to-Info and to-HTML drivers in > makeinfo to generate proper quotes in Latin-1. Ask Karl Berry if a > patch would be accepted. > In docstrings, changing this would require teaching various parts of > the help system to recognize quotes rather than grave accent. But > maybe help display functions (eg, C-h f) could do the translation > using display tables. I think that display tables won't work, because some docstrings contain code with (lisp) backquotes. I guess these shouldn't be shown as quotes. ;-) For example, this one: backquote is a Lisp macro in `backquote.el'. [...] `(a ,b c) => (a (ba bb bc) c) ; insert the value of b `(a ,@b c) => (a ba bb bc c) ; splice in the value of b