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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:288313 Archived-At: On Tue, Apr 12, 2022 at 09:45:03AM -0400, Alfred M. Szmidt wrote: > >Not all systems use Exuberant Ctags or Universal Ctags. On the BSDs, > >ctags is compatible with the Emacs ctags output (which is why it > >exists, AFAIR). Exuberant Ctags etc do not work with either vi(1) or > >mg(1) on those systems, and their output is at odds with what is > >standardized by POSIX. > > In what sense it is not standarized by POSIX? > >The output from Exuberant ctags is not what POSIX asks for. Programs >that expect the POSIX format will thus not work, or do funny stuff. > Again, I haven't observed that, that's exactly my point, if there is an issue in universal ctags output format it should be reported, but I haven't observed any mismatch. > >So really, you're suggesting to remove a standardized utility and > >replace it with non-standard ones that produce incompatible output > >from what is generally accepted. > > I am suggesting to avoid the forced installation of a utility that we > are not maintaining very well for another very well maintained, with > more languages, support and formats. > >That is changing the point I was making, that Emacs ctags produces the >standard ctags output where Exuberant ctags does not. > Universal ctags DOES generate standard ctags format (and some others like etags format); they actually explicitly refer to vi in the man page. Exuberant is not maintained since 2011. >But, I do think that the Emacs maintainers will disagree that >ctags/etags is not being maintained. Like everything in Emacs, >someone has to do the work, > and you're most welcome to send patches to >improve ctags (or etags). We all would appreciate it. > If there is the free and active universal ctags with a big and active team doing that work and supporting many format and languages, then it is pointless to duplicate effort and invest time on that. Don't reinvent the wheel.