From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Keybinding styles Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2021 09:17:41 +0200 Message-ID: <20210905071741.GA4268@tuxteam.de> References: <87lf4dnk0z.fsf@gmail.com> <90277C17-5C44-411F-A43A-EFCA9C0B7345@gmail.com> <831r64wda9.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="nFreZHaLTZJo0R7j" Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="39575"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Sep 05 09:18:53 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mMmQX-000A3t-3d for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 05 Sep 2021 09:18:53 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:54688 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mMmQQ-0000ao-O4 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 05 Sep 2021 03:18:46 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:54996) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mMmPY-0008KF-DP for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 05 Sep 2021 03:17:52 -0400 Original-Received: from mail.tuxteam.de ([5.199.139.25]:44432) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mMmPW-0008F5-3Z for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 05 Sep 2021 03:17:52 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=tuxteam.de; s=mail; h=From:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:MIME-Version:References:Message-ID:Subject:To:Date; bh=rdngn7V4BMey5o6rWiQFzygz7YInHBeWV5eRHqeM3ng=; b=L155ag0zSJqjfJ9bLsIjUkAkdXchocCFy6aAJ6hYemp9HPptgDHvunI+9vYUx87vXDJxN7VD1VwrGmie4yrTzHMeSv2RM0QJvlGu3um1tufIn2wJG3UpMgflJgFMReept/Xq16I5xaMAviihlEwU/5+OvcypJlVhLlPRiggzJP/bKm4/MULnRZBR3VixVxYgT4ROUQChsOK1Mtg6AflUU3at+RO3pvRiH3VxwD/AGFrW94PjEqD7Sh097OsVm6wcrukqhmDOOAfgYO1Dgf/U59Xehe271F7ABGpQ+ZsVuUWMv5b+qeXtviQI8FeD+VeEQMCtvhPluEww+R3BJ+Qvlg==; Original-Received: from tomas by mail.tuxteam.de with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1mMmPN-0001O2-SN for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 05 Sep 2021 09:17:41 +0200 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Received-SPF: pass client-ip=5.199.139.25; envelope-from=tomas@tuxteam.de; helo=mail.tuxteam.de X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:273996 Archived-At: --nFreZHaLTZJo0R7j Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline On Sat, Sep 04, 2021 at 10:52:12PM +0200, Stefan Kangas wrote: [...] > They are principally meant for users of GNU/Linux, as that is the > primary OS that Emacs is developed for. Keep in mind that not > everyone who uses GNU/Linux is automatically a power user [...] Is that just a "gut feeling" or do you have anecdote/data to back that up? I don't have data, but at least anecdote to offer: as someone pretty well immersed in GNU/Linux circles, I see semi-power users mostly using Geany or (second) KEdit; non-power users even tend to use LibreOffice (remember, on the Dark Side folks also insist on using Word as a text editor, because a text is a text is a text [1], right? Power users in GNU/Linux split (unevenly) between Vi(m) and Emacs. Some sprinklings of nano who upgraded form the more advanced group above. My hunch (but remember: I've got anecdote, not data) is: A GNU/Linux Emacs user is, in the overwhelming majority of the cases, perfectly well-equipped to beat her Emacs config into whichever submission she needs. Actually, she'll enjoy doing that. Exceptions to the above (and IMHO /these/ would be the interesting ones) might be "special" cases: those for whom Emacs solves a very specific problem no other editor does well: think speech integration, cross-language literate programming, humanities, things like that. All of that my hunches, of course. Cheers [1] cue in seasoned sysadmins trying to rescue a situation where /etc/passwd has been edited with Word: yes, I've had that! - t --nFreZHaLTZJo0R7j Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAmE0bxUACgkQBcgs9XrR2kanDQCeNoQKm6/SfbkNC3It8AwXrcOt aEUAnA55dcD+aqPQIzlOCaK2KXpn8YGf =PZCy -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nFreZHaLTZJo0R7j--