From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Representation of the Emacs userbase on emacs-devel Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2021 08:25:37 +0200 Message-ID: <20210904062537.GA3280@tuxteam.de> References: <9471c28f-8eae-b555-ee86-9fffd6229937@yandex.ru> <87r1e690n8.fsf_-_@posteo.net> <9d5a2f83-d564-22e1-0cbd-df760044528f@yandex.ru> <837dfyyxyl.fsf@gnu.org> <64ec57fc-4cd0-4e4a-1139-de1c3ddc8d82@yandex.ru> <83sfylykhx.fsf@gnu.org> <83lf4dyhel.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="OgqxwSJOaUobr8KG" Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="40815"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat Sep 04 08:27:28 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mMP9D-000ANs-W0 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 04 Sep 2021 08:27:28 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:43606 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mMP9C-0003LN-Mz for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 04 Sep 2021 02:27:26 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:53112) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mMP7d-00020U-9q for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 04 Sep 2021 02:25:50 -0400 Original-Received: from mail.tuxteam.de ([5.199.139.25]:41359) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mMP7a-0008Kt-C7 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 04 Sep 2021 02:25:48 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=tuxteam.de; s=mail; h=From:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:MIME-Version:References:Message-ID:Subject:To:Date; bh=J30uZBS1SKSwL+Wgt00ODuxRHn8xUEf3X6pk7AMKxWs=; b=J3vgG2CwRZ27HOqDkAV5pMKDg6BSWuW8KvpsqgIbI5wFdrWpIpOLYUmJRbouNo4TuzphDejfVic/RPWu5aJKStJlQgrMZDwsXqdaGH2+Hxgr5IDHkWIDVtE8xQN+XRtfqitJApfnmRwwHSZk0pzZzUutmWl2PcGnntdu+qc9GT6DwTwxM57wHfnbz8U+9dmVN7eMuwFv+zDKDQmcl8OiJRKRZIm6bvHkAKNVsnWuvIsRwP1mXpHpAgdbYK/7Gj5WNWFEhTONa7tRk6hLRBvtmWvkBs9vQBvQF9lWPrDH3o841soIwOGVKJjikUgGpKfvYZUouiWojPxDt6sA4Tbw8g==; Original-Received: from tomas by mail.tuxteam.de with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1mMP7R-00010p-PY for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 04 Sep 2021 08:25:37 +0200 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Received-SPF: pass client-ip=5.199.139.25; envelope-from=tomas@tuxteam.de; helo=mail.tuxteam.de X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:273839 Archived-At: --OgqxwSJOaUobr8KG Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, Sep 04, 2021 at 04:32:50AM +0300, Dmitry Gutov wrote: > On 03.09.2021 15:26, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >=20 > >We are, I hope, interested mainly in making Emacs evolve and adapt to > >the changing times and preferences. I consider the way of introducing > >changes as optional first to be a better way towards that goal, > >including the goal to change the defaults. And I explained in so many > >words why and how. How is that side-stepping the issue at hand? >=20 > The goals of having Emacs "evolve and adapt" and having it stay the > same are inherently at odds. After having followed this discussion for a while I must realise that I'm so put off by your subliminally aggressive style that I have but two choices: answer in kind, with sarcasm, or just shut up. I choose the second. Just to make clear that my silence isn't tacit assentment. Cheers - t --OgqxwSJOaUobr8KG Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAmEzEWEACgkQBcgs9XrR2kaOnACfYP/AJzuikV6dlb4eLvYvykeY TCMAnR9A6eoLNU+lqe1sgwxl89PQsk9y =vfdC -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --OgqxwSJOaUobr8KG--