From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: tomas@tuxteam.de Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Gitlab Migration Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2021 09:53:55 +0200 Message-ID: <20210828075355.GB29375@tuxteam.de> References: <87h7fcnmq0.fsf@posteo.net> <87o89kw0hl.fsf@gnus.org> <0c369b25-aedd-1fdf-4813-503f27e42c7c@yandex.ru> <874kbbznwv.fsf@gmail.com> <8735qvwcqt.fsf@gmail.com> <20210828065708.GA29375@tuxteam.de> <83v93qnhhs.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="pvezYHf7grwyp3Bc" Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="31962"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat Aug 28 09:54:50 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mJtAw-00085d-Jg for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 28 Aug 2021 09:54:50 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:49822 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mJtAu-0000qq-JG for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 28 Aug 2021 03:54:48 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:33216) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mJtA8-00009U-Jd for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 28 Aug 2021 03:54:00 -0400 Original-Received: from mail.tuxteam.de ([5.199.139.25]:49034) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mJtA6-0005c0-1D; Sat, 28 Aug 2021 03:54:00 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=tuxteam.de; s=mail; h=In-Reply-To:Content-Type:MIME-Version:References:Message-ID:Subject:Cc:To:From:Date; bh=TEoVp/MvQn15GraQ/6OxtlLIfIfwF5eor1xX75IKuyY=; b=cGX88+nhUy9EfvJoHD3zHiHyp3m/y0fcbrIVLL0bUVQWdX/hm7PdQB/WS7JNAbKFHrKjYV5pUePMArvL+iR0ac8QNFE4BzK0IurQPwaR+Qho5Pj5bH3KhtrvhpUFsaK0chWtbKTp/RvwaZwSBy1m/w8vKzQCiIvHncL4+raU+YKOA44VI9ZpLVVLM2819sT++XFjWfg1ThrcigCrjBlI1MFw+WT2rBQ/Ej9jAmN+6DxaOmbjqy8d0TsWSPQUEMl0w/6SX1bTINhNxr4NpILJ6PsJGVTX7b/kh8ArZLsArHR3twFAuIOi2vie1ezScKqCckPmfw/P61puH6o367kiyg==; Original-Received: from tomas by mail.tuxteam.de with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1mJtA3-0008Rn-KQ; Sat, 28 Aug 2021 09:53:55 +0200 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <83v93qnhhs.fsf@gnu.org> Received-SPF: pass client-ip=5.199.139.25; envelope-from=tomas@tuxteam.de; helo=mail.tuxteam.de X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:273242 Archived-At: --pvezYHf7grwyp3Bc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, Aug 28, 2021 at 10:41:35AM +0300, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2021 08:57:08 +0200 > > From: > >=20 > > For better or worse, some MUAs [1] and corporate-influenced > > workflows have trained a significant part of the population to > > top-quote. >=20 > We encourage people not to top-post, but don't require them not to do > so. Some of them do, as you can clearly see in the archives. I know, and I know. This is generally the stragegy in other mailing lists, too. I was just pointing out how subtle factors can change the general perception of a tool. If everyone starts hammering nails with the hammer's shaft, after a while folks will start saying "hammers suck". [top quoting as an example "things which don't work"] > We generally suck it up and survive. When the fraction of these is > not too high, it is not a problem in practice. Yes. In mailing lists where it's more pronounced, I sometimes try to remind people in a friendly way, but there you go. > > On top of that, some MUAs (again, the same) don't know what a > > Message-ID is and thread based on Subject. Resulting in monster > > threads with the incredibly informative Subject "Re:". >=20 > That's what Rmail does, and I have yet to see a significant problem > with it, let alone that it broke my workflows. You mean it doesn't honour Message-ID/In-Reply-To/and References when they are there? (Of course, in their absence it /has/ to fall back to Subject, mail systems out there are sometimes beyond broken). 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