On Sat, Aug 28, 2021 at 10:41:35AM +0300, Eli Zaretskii wrote:
> > Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2021 08:57:08 +0200
> > From: <tomas@tuxteam.de>
> > 
> > For better or worse, some MUAs [1] and corporate-influenced
> > workflows have trained a significant part of the population to
> > top-quote.
> 
> We encourage people not to top-post, but don't require them not to do
> so.  Some of them do, as you can clearly see in the archives.

I know, and I know. This is generally the stragegy in other mailing
lists, too. I was just pointing out how subtle factors can change
the general perception of a tool.

If everyone starts hammering nails with the hammer's shaft, after
a while folks will start saying "hammers suck".

[top quoting as an example "things which don't work"]

> We generally suck it up and survive.  When the fraction of these is
> not too high, it is not a problem in practice.

Yes. In mailing lists where it's more pronounced, I sometimes try
to remind people in a friendly way, but there you go.

> > On top of that, some MUAs (again, the same) don't know what a
> > Message-ID is and thread based on Subject. Resulting in monster
> > threads with the incredibly informative Subject "Re:".
> 
> That's what Rmail does, and I have yet to see a significant problem
> with it, let alone that it broke my workflows.

You mean it doesn't honour Message-ID/In-Reply-To/and References
when they are there? (Of course, in their absence it /has/ to fall
back to Subject, mail systems out there are sometimes beyond
broken).

Cheers
 - t