From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: tomas@tuxteam.de Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Gitlab Migration Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2021 14:03:00 +0200 Message-ID: <20210827120300.GF5381@tuxteam.de> References: <87h7fcnmq0.fsf@posteo.net> <87o89kw0hl.fsf@gnus.org> <0c369b25-aedd-1fdf-4813-503f27e42c7c@yandex.ru> <874kbbznwv.fsf@gmail.com> <8735qvwcqt.fsf@gmail.com> <20210827082508.GC5381@tuxteam.de> <83o89jqf9t.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="+ts6NCQ4mrNQIV8p" Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="19933"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Aug 27 14:04:07 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mJaad-0004sq-3y for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 27 Aug 2021 14:04:07 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:49034 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mJaab-0006Jb-Ov for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 27 Aug 2021 08:04:05 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:44192) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mJaZd-0005dZ-Q1 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Aug 2021 08:03:05 -0400 Original-Received: from mail.tuxteam.de ([5.199.139.25]:46546) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mJaZb-0000NN-DJ; Fri, 27 Aug 2021 08:03:05 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=tuxteam.de; s=mail; h=In-Reply-To:Content-Type:MIME-Version:References:Message-ID:Subject:Cc:To:From:Date; bh=0h3Hd8J0fPWbHE7ywztsOM3hmcC0okiI+uK3N2z6F2M=; b=T11rJSSRl5vs9322xya+qXjcdNHBJQXgj/qa8Kb87BxYBartDiu5T1C9cKEQb6FmqsowW5XG39TOBQbMGRlkLp7uYubWsjmpEKsJfyHminI337XMgaqhkDeSQQc1PAa4H0iU4+EFH9VX+6E9Jy7kWyB3FXMO5QRDc593XJkXFUHRN6NX661UZp5rELSMTPgdNREB2H1mCGTkL4IgqDNt6XkVxamlVjryQpTpZ7DSU+r5fx/i7W2Z3FUvwf1gh6sFnCK33zk17oxKSWdlQ6QVJEqV4z+JNyf++0rtAX9oWiKoK5GLey8tH+Zbc/yJncghB55lIWv8pmc3wy2cFLmm8Q==; Original-Received: from tomas by mail.tuxteam.de with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1mJaZY-0004Qs-4v; Fri, 27 Aug 2021 14:03:00 +0200 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <83o89jqf9t.fsf@gnu.org> Received-SPF: pass client-ip=5.199.139.25; envelope-from=tomas@tuxteam.de; helo=mail.tuxteam.de X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:273153 Archived-At: --+ts6NCQ4mrNQIV8p Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline On Fri, Aug 27, 2021 at 02:49:02PM +0300, Eli Zaretskii wrote: [...] > > I have watched this process around the 2010s in one company [...] > Office 365 includes Outlook, I know. I lived it :) > so I don't think you interpret that move > correctly. It is most probably meant to avoid maintaining email > infrastructure in the company itself. This was but part of the equation (I had the chance to talk to some folks next to the decision makers). Actually, this part of the equation was the more problematic one, because of GDPR. Salespeople promised this wouldn't be a problem, because "all servers would be in the EU". Aha :-) The other was "mail is old, and here we have something *much* better". This was also the narrative the whole "change management" machinery was built around, with "planes", "pilots" and "seats" and whatnot. (Will stop now, because seriously off-topic) Cheers - t --+ts6NCQ4mrNQIV8p Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAmEo1HQACgkQBcgs9XrR2kZ69wCfeWqotbyBIBxJvzq02+yOxr+d sTYAn0P437f1O5kGCxSVomsd3MBHSBwm =PztL -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --+ts6NCQ4mrNQIV8p--