From: Ergus <spacibba@aol.com>
To: Andrei Kuznetsov <r12451428287@163.com>
Cc: Stephen Leake <stephen_leake@stephe-leake.org>, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: [SPAM UNSURE] Maybe we're taking a wrong approach towards tree-sitter
Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2021 14:36:12 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20210728123612.pr2ddrf6vmynknxn@Ergus> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87o8amy88o.fsf@163.com>
On Wed, Jul 28, 2021 at 07:43:03PM +0800, Andrei Kuznetsov wrote:
>Stephen Leake <stephen_leake@stephe-leake.org> writes:
>
>> The tree-sitter runtime, that Emacs would link with, it implemented in
>> C, partly for this reason. It would be compiled with whatever Emacs is
>> compiled with, or the system compiler.
>
>Interesting. I was not aware of that.
>
>> Some of the tree-sitter development tools are implemented in Rust; you
>> only need Rust if you are developing/fixing a grammar for a language.
>
>If I understand this correctly, it means one would require the Rust
>toolchain to support new languages in tree-sitter, or to improve
>existing support. Would that really fit Emacs? I think many people
>might not be comfortable learning such a large language and toolchain to
>develop editing tools for Emacs.
>
>Furthermore, is there any concrete reason this could not be done in
>Lisp?
>
I will say:
1) Performance (discussed in the previous thread):
2) Not reinvent the wheel.
Tree-sitter is very well maintained, optimized and with very specialized
algorithms; and we lack manpower to duplicate all that effort; and
implementing it in lisp won't really worth the efforts and may be
unmaintainable and slow.
Tree-sitter hopefully won't get abandoned in the future because many
editors use it right now (including neovim) and the community is very
dynamic.
Another advantage is that with tree-sitter as a back-end we could
officially (almost for free) support many languages that are currently
unsupported officially and may require a lot of effort to support them
in a minimal way (or currently supported in some inconsistent way, with
incoherent bindings/colors/indentations. Ex: Typescripts, Rust, Julia)
>Note: Somehow I sent a reply earlier, and not a follow-up. I apologize
>for the duplicate.
>
>
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Thread overview: 59+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2021-07-28 1:57 Maybe we're taking a wrong approach towards tree-sitter Andrei Kuznetsov
2021-07-28 3:53 ` [SPAM UNSURE] " Stephen Leake
2021-07-28 8:23 ` Manuel Giraud
2021-07-28 11:48 ` Andrei Kuznetsov
2021-07-28 13:04 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-07-28 13:14 ` Andrei Kuznetsov
2021-07-28 13:27 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-07-28 13:31 ` Andrei Kuznetsov
2021-07-28 14:24 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-07-28 14:36 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-07-28 14:51 ` Daniele Nicolodi
2021-07-28 16:10 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-07-28 16:24 ` Perry E. Metzger
2021-07-28 16:29 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-07-29 23:12 ` Stephen Leake
2021-07-29 23:21 ` Yuan Fu
2021-07-30 18:38 ` Stephen Leake
2021-07-30 0:41 ` Andrei Kuznetsov
2021-07-30 12:06 ` Arthur Miller
2021-07-30 12:52 ` Óscar Fuentes
2021-07-30 13:30 ` Arthur Miller
2021-07-30 13:57 ` Ergus
2021-07-30 14:52 ` Arthur Miller
2021-07-30 13:59 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-07-30 15:45 ` Arthur Miller
2021-07-30 13:32 ` Ergus
2021-07-30 15:07 ` Arthur Miller
2021-08-02 22:13 ` Perry E. Metzger
2021-07-30 18:42 ` Stephen Leake
2021-07-30 6:05 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-07-31 12:12 ` Stephen Leake
2021-07-31 13:07 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-07-31 16:55 ` Stephen Leake
2021-07-31 17:12 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-07-28 11:43 ` Andrei Kuznetsov
2021-07-28 11:50 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-07-28 12:06 ` Andrei Kuznetsov
2021-07-28 13:05 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-07-28 13:16 ` Andrei Kuznetsov
2021-07-28 12:36 ` Ergus [this message]
2021-07-28 13:07 ` Andrei Kuznetsov
2021-07-28 13:16 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-07-28 13:27 ` Andrei Kuznetsov
2021-07-28 13:32 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-07-28 13:38 ` Andrei Kuznetsov
2021-07-28 14:41 ` Manuel Giraud
2021-07-28 15:15 ` Perry E. Metzger
2021-07-28 16:10 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-07-29 23:25 ` [SPAM UNSURE] " Stephen Leake
2021-07-30 0:54 ` Andrei Kuznetsov
2021-07-30 3:02 ` Andrei Kuznetsov
2021-07-30 18:48 ` Stephen Leake
2021-07-28 15:12 ` Perry E. Metzger
2021-07-29 23:28 ` Stephen Leake
2021-07-30 0:19 ` Perry E. Metzger
2021-07-30 18:44 ` [SPAM UNSURE] " Stephen Leake
2021-07-29 4:35 ` Richard Stallman
2021-07-28 15:09 ` Perry E. Metzger
2021-07-29 23:35 ` Stephen Leake
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