From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Using more and/or better icons in Emacs Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2021 11:59:55 +0200 Message-ID: <20210409095955.GC19334@tuxteam.de> References: <264397e8-5a03-9eff-436c-639d76514775@daniel-mendler.de> <82c86e8f-06e7-a7ed-56c5-5f6766df591b@daniel-mendler.de> <597310b6-892c-a7d9-a663-f270ed3b0f0e@yandex.ru> <2f0b4786-d569-27e6-fa8a-fb47bf08b166@yandex.ru> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="jy6Sn24JjFx/iggw" Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="3506"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Cc: Dmitry Gutov , Stefan Kangas , Emacs developers To: Yuri Khan Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Apr 09 12:01:50 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1lUnxW-0000pK-5T for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 09 Apr 2021 12:01:50 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:34614 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lUnxV-00039R-7Q for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 09 Apr 2021 06:01:49 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:41192) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lUnvt-0002Xd-7s for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 09 Apr 2021 06:00:09 -0400 Original-Received: from mail.tuxteam.de ([5.199.139.25]:57742) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lUnvr-00082o-6j for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 09 Apr 2021 06:00:09 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=tuxteam.de; s=mail; h=From:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:MIME-Version:References:Message-ID:Subject:Cc:To:Date; bh=tBA9HWpq9u/ufuZsNlqiT8sQNuOTkCkRjeXoEMBGUFk=; b=qeYFvSaveRqKWRj+LmumuwwGfpmqhiaXntJ13AEmzvLfwRTVtS7Ud8AL2bkYzyEly/5sGfDuU2hi2LuoB/D/cXhm0VpAgV1OwGD4cx8OZPDSa6gPgfgrjG9M27b+fDBZdPRn5rY8A052C+g/mtgNKiyMDxA/7kSkX1KBKndfT7yW1lje6sLmCSlgB5VWglPssAm6owlFeYX7shCsjWs1IawNECS1NXgWhNzRPYmIYvgb3Ly8VQXlg0YOFG0WheqtFoHIVcmgU3iMaYF5nKdt5sKDGpO7zxjNv4ynnlUvMD9yqc2S6aWq1rYqUZ5vH8GJ4erXIF05hqiyJ0oIm6GhiA==; Original-Received: from tomas by mail.tuxteam.de with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1lUnvf-00065x-Ds; Fri, 09 Apr 2021 11:59:55 +0200 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Received-SPF: pass client-ip=5.199.139.25; envelope-from=tomas@tuxteam.de; helo=mail.tuxteam.de X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:267699 Archived-At: --jy6Sn24JjFx/iggw Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Apr 09, 2021 at 02:41:04PM +0700, Yuri Khan wrote: > On Fri, 9 Apr 2021 at 09:10, Stefan Kangas wrote: >=20 > > Yup. Have a look at the attached quick mock-up of how things could look > > if we would use Material icons for the tool-bar as an example. >=20 > The proper way to achieve that look is to design a GTK icon theme with > those icons, then install and activate it in your environment. It=E2=80= =99s > not a good idea to override GTK icons with application-bundled icons, > it leads to inconsistency over the desktop. This is actually a conflict being sorted out currently (although many participants therein don't even know they've been coopted to that). Oversimplifying a fair bit, it reduces to whether the application or the sysadmin (aka "operating system in a very broad sense") is boss. A conflict perhaps nearly as old as computing is, but with the upcoming of huge mammoths facing operating systems they don't control, the push is now in the direction of "application is boss" (it isn't a coincidence that Google Chrome wants to do client-side decorations: "I'm the operating system, deal with it"; it's not invited to my computer for that reason ;-) Cheers - t --jy6Sn24JjFx/iggw Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAmBwJZsACgkQBcgs9XrR2kaAxQCeP7SAp6Lilu2i8hOXQLqykK9n G8YAnj466sz/liHU7P6degGJkQFWEGKH =9rH4 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --jy6Sn24JjFx/iggw--