From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: tomas@tuxteam.de Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Suggested experimental test Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2021 21:08:26 +0100 Message-ID: <20210324200826.GB30336@tuxteam.de> References: <936DFE4B-B16D-45A2-A6C2-AF13C451BF39@bydasein.com> <87tup1dk63.fsf@gnus.org> <20210324085114.GC30513@tuxteam.de> <164F3FEC-FBD2-4BD7-A6C4-BD195DC54D50@gnu.org> <20210324111317.GG30513@tuxteam.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="xXmbgvnjoT4axfJE" Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="329"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Cc: Eli Zaretskii , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Dmitry Gutov Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Mar 24 21:16:34 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1lP9vc-000AWu-Tn for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 24 Mar 2021 21:16:32 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:56632 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lP9vb-0003mY-Ql for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 24 Mar 2021 16:16:31 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:38084) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lP9nr-0007dx-Lx for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 24 Mar 2021 16:08:31 -0400 Original-Received: from mail.tuxteam.de ([5.199.139.25]:39877) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lP9np-0007oS-Mu; Wed, 24 Mar 2021 16:08:31 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=tuxteam.de; s=mail; h=In-Reply-To:Content-Type:MIME-Version:References:Message-ID:Subject:Cc:To:From:Date; bh=g5OD/Aie4KVQdyF4UOV1WTKXn24WSvv5SK1Azr4WPEQ=; b=GVxRa06tahaxCBkMAI60LEZL1TSiv9TWyw3RhzlJ94NQhgqaiN54hPCvQ3UukAd9XocPtnGc9Wbn8LwL7DD4QaIETIf1SVcli3PcKm//PAZF0RtVKvv02t9LNXNtI1xBVlHJMCJLJoa278pHoNG9ZF9jTRd5lhz68qZMO4MAyUCQsfXIce6Zit+kQptAACCCsvSRry2iCIyoi/7sTMJSlzly7V8+5bdUccvlkW3k6qQjEW+Fi/uLrZepYdws4t2HFcICwbLPm19+uvnQEKpV2Yjj+eytjD88pJ2U1KQnjJl6v1Jn9eTRHm9Q05x9PEltE6MeS70NBHP2jztfNIC0ug==; Original-Received: from tomas by mail.tuxteam.de with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1lP9nm-00087U-CJ; Wed, 24 Mar 2021 21:08:26 +0100 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Received-SPF: pass client-ip=5.199.139.25; envelope-from=tomas@tuxteam.de; helo=mail.tuxteam.de X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:266976 Archived-At: --xXmbgvnjoT4axfJE Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Mar 24, 2021 at 07:30:45PM +0200, Dmitry Gutov wrote: > On 24.03.2021 13:13, tomas@tuxteam.de wrote: > >the "newcomers" on the other, pushing their > >new, shiny idea and frustrated that "progress is impossible" > >at every (often well-founded!) pushback >=20 > Except these conversations much too often pit 20-year-old ideas > against 40-year-old special bespoke Emacs ideas. But I guess you > could still call them shiny. But that was not my point at all. I spotted communication patterns which I thought concerning and wanted to point that out. Eli has disagreed. I hold his opinion in high esteem and am going to shut up now :) Cheers - t --xXmbgvnjoT4axfJE Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAmBbnDoACgkQBcgs9XrR2kYP8wCdFTYbwER1/C+d3mChta98bEqk pp4An3UbKgjq1lmITk98mag7QOB1387a =nizY -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --xXmbgvnjoT4axfJE--