From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: tomas@tuxteam.de Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Suggested experimental test Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2021 18:19:24 +0100 Message-ID: <20210324171924.GF18065@tuxteam.de> References: <936DFE4B-B16D-45A2-A6C2-AF13C451BF39@bydasein.com> <87tup1dk63.fsf@gnus.org> <20210324085114.GC30513@tuxteam.de> <164F3FEC-FBD2-4BD7-A6C4-BD195DC54D50@gnu.org> <20210324111317.GG30513@tuxteam.de> <83tup0jxfj.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="R6sEYoIZpp9JErk7" Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="6322"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Mar 24 18:21:15 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1lP7Bz-0001XJ-8e for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 24 Mar 2021 18:21:15 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:34854 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lP7By-0007Vs-8K for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 24 Mar 2021 13:21:14 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:54762) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lP7AJ-0006wB-8P for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 24 Mar 2021 13:19:32 -0400 Original-Received: from mail.tuxteam.de ([5.199.139.25]:39525) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lP7AF-0004v8-S3; Wed, 24 Mar 2021 13:19:30 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=tuxteam.de; s=mail; h=In-Reply-To:Content-Type:MIME-Version:References:Message-ID:Subject:Cc:To:From:Date; bh=QEB4IKcZSQs+51EJtJylRXD/Kbw+4SQJFyqDGFWE/Vc=; b=p8d0P2KabIa+WlLWYYLQvyJl2a/Z4hdibowmFjKbNka76Oa99Nz980n72MsQRZ5t3QPe/QVqydJ5ZnqWaJ7juo87W8sbxYSCRkQOXe8Vtc6DEtuKvGbtrtyqkxpB22xCCjMxv1bOuIKGRi8eqtuTiJWvD+iAaR67qP/Rj2cqLHxKkro3LQ3KT8ZfxD904l9aO2+I0U7Zkope715rLtBs2vUTXlcgZUlcQ21f21ODJW9N6YPSBwPmR4HYlPAAFRSHoOGM9tsQHD6TzCJ7fdDtKYXx26vrprKzXV1CQTP4Cujx3GNITekb6wJTJ8ozZt7G4DbhR6ArvxLUNB3Q0jNNVQ==; Original-Received: from tomas by mail.tuxteam.de with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1lP7AC-0006BA-R0; Wed, 24 Mar 2021 18:19:24 +0100 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <83tup0jxfj.fsf@gnu.org> Received-SPF: pass client-ip=5.199.139.25; envelope-from=tomas@tuxteam.de; helo=mail.tuxteam.de X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:266972 Archived-At: --R6sEYoIZpp9JErk7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Mar 24, 2021 at 07:04:00PM +0200, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2021 12:13:17 +0100 > > From: tomas@tuxteam.de > > Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org > >=20 > > It's more the intensity of bad feelings on (mostly) both > > sides [...] > I see no problem with intense feelings, as long as they are expressed > in a civilized and polite form. We are on one page here, I think. > And AFAICT, they generally are in > this thread. (The rest of what you wrote above is stuff no one > actually said, it looks like your interpretation of the social > dynamics here. Which is fine, but it's your interpretation, not > necessarily what really goes on. And even if it does, I wouldn't > start discussing these aspects, they are only tangentially relevant, > and moreover, we cannot really do anything about them.) Point taken. You think I went a bit overboard. If that is the case, I apologise. Should I've hurt somebody's feelings, doubly so. > Thus, Lars's comment should have been enough to respond to a remark > that could have bordered on an insult (although I'm quite sure that > was never the intent). I'm sure of the latter, too. As for the first... yes, perhaps too eager on my part. [...] > We do, but don't expect that to be 110% bulletproof, as even the most > innocent jokes and wording nuances are known to offend someone, > somewhere. The only way never to risk offense is to keep silent. Of course. Especially on mailing lists, which cross big physical and cultural distances while providing little secondary communication channels. 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