From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: tomas@tuxteam.de Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Suggested experimental test Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2021 12:13:17 +0100 Message-ID: <20210324111317.GG30513@tuxteam.de> References: <936DFE4B-B16D-45A2-A6C2-AF13C451BF39@bydasein.com> <87tup1dk63.fsf@gnus.org> <20210324085114.GC30513@tuxteam.de> <164F3FEC-FBD2-4BD7-A6C4-BD195DC54D50@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="doKZ0ri6bHmN2Q5y" Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="26307"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Mar 24 12:14:22 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1lP1Sv-0006jh-VS for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 24 Mar 2021 12:14:21 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:45718 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lP1Sv-0000wa-0H for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 24 Mar 2021 07:14:21 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:50134) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lP1S0-0000FE-Ri for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 24 Mar 2021 07:13:25 -0400 Original-Received: from mail.tuxteam.de ([5.199.139.25]:38742) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lP1Ry-0000UC-1b; Wed, 24 Mar 2021 07:13:24 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=tuxteam.de; s=mail; h=In-Reply-To:Content-Type:MIME-Version:References:Message-ID:Subject:Cc:To:From:Date; bh=dN45oO+VsHHrb21/JOhQFR6hstFI9pUZI9WeviQ6xaA=; b=YHIBHOuQmJtlPss3Pesdw+YcgXJWWp7EtwrbRvUdzsR3YtOfdzyXJzhRxQkTgPEofgob/k+Yq/EtXh/UZFZkWxA6PQsSi3+7qu5lnh1kYzf6nwTGm0edfu/BrziE40FrLj/M/MDbCQJ1kVS2pdxdliTqQL1ihVuiEFGf3pYP/HgSFawouxMdw1pBpra4XL9rZ/bRXfx3b+d7h/h7UZfciVK+nyniscu254wCFP3sxcs+VXtiYPP3GR45pJXR8WhiOWoTFPp3jQRyQQ7KQCGX8X8snAUBMZ0VM9h/flovwXvn57WtJUdLLyGK+amQtzeEtmNXR446LF4vGmU29DBr6A==; Original-Received: from tomas by mail.tuxteam.de with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1lP1Rt-0001n4-Vr; Wed, 24 Mar 2021 12:13:18 +0100 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <164F3FEC-FBD2-4BD7-A6C4-BD195DC54D50@gnu.org> Received-SPF: pass client-ip=5.199.139.25; envelope-from=tomas@tuxteam.de; helo=mail.tuxteam.de X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:266943 Archived-At: --doKZ0ri6bHmN2Q5y Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable [pruned CC a bit] On Wed, Mar 24, 2021 at 12:37:59PM +0200, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > On March 24, 2021 10:51:14 AM GMT+02:00, tomas@tuxteam.de wrote: [...] > > Agreed. There is a lot of ungood karma around in this thread, which > > is a pity. >=20 > "A lot"? Aren't we exaggerating a bit? This thread amassed more than 15= 0 messages; how many of them can be qualified as "ungood karma"? Eli, sometimes you make me confused. I genuinely don't know if you are ironic here or not. In case you're not: I didn't mean "a lot" in some quantitative sense; I admit the expression is somewhat unfortunate. It's more the intensity of bad feelings on (mostly) both sides, the "oldtimers" on the one fearing someone's out to eat their lunch, the "newcomers" on the other, pushing their new, shiny idea and frustrated that "progress is impossible" at every (often well-founded!) pushback... well, we see that time and again. Now, I think it's OK to have strong feelings about one's main and favourite tool, but perhaps we could try to develop some genuine understanding [1] for each other's pain points and just be a bit... nicer to each other. Cheers [1] Just trying to police one's tone doesn't quite work, since hurt feelings tend to escape in a very weird passive-aggressive way :-/ - tom=C3=A1s --doKZ0ri6bHmN2Q5y Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAmBbHs0ACgkQBcgs9XrR2ka2uACaAqYQA9e1T3UIyL0l7IGOGpv+ I3EAn1FmcyI4sjffR8Py5txrAqiytNbx =mEt2 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --doKZ0ri6bHmN2Q5y--