From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Suggested experimental test Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2021 09:51:14 +0100 Message-ID: <20210324085114.GC30513@tuxteam.de> References: <936DFE4B-B16D-45A2-A6C2-AF13C451BF39@bydasein.com> <87tup1dk63.fsf@gnus.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="L6iaP+gRLNZHKoI4" Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="7904"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Cc: gregory@heytings.org, "Paul W. Rankin" , "Paul W. Rankin via Emacs development discussions." To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Mar 24 09:52:44 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1lOzFr-0001yI-U7 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 24 Mar 2021 09:52:43 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:52098 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lOzFq-0005iK-VY for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 24 Mar 2021 04:52:42 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:39478) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lOzEc-00055Y-72 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 24 Mar 2021 04:51:26 -0400 Original-Received: from mail.tuxteam.de ([5.199.139.25]:38429) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lOzEY-0000r4-Sh for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 24 Mar 2021 04:51:25 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=tuxteam.de; s=mail; h=From:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:MIME-Version:References:Message-ID:Subject:Cc:To:Date; bh=BR1gaqR87+rEpabQLSU0vrFlcF4DpAAQapuJ8uJ2Ns4=; b=IL/aYL8PpcfwBr3b+BGv+3SIv3D5Wc0NBWbMnA0RSkqVHA2lAgX7pc1INPZWVGerNrq5iyM50PR0bHlNN5pn73EQ+FZCtMLMI4XgAXaa+IZ1e7kZ0jP0fq24p9O6ypqbpOKdxdwg042YO/cP7BtYMtw6PV2rjVwk2BzsBsWCwatbnwq+K3qsGDPMiIpFu9iJB/8Tg/av+Lrv9xLxL1or63KQpUz1MRLR+S/Alo96m+p8G/t07mOvW2nzP84bQvVwixev+WufTd8MXBVm3F26+OxO0djAuMmSS8tiNdEHK5lPTdAB8KwpXBRbWDQoUhsq8xlsx/hGlmbO3nqhST8yxQ==; Original-Received: from tomas by mail.tuxteam.de with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1lOzEQ-0008Q3-Dr; Wed, 24 Mar 2021 09:51:14 +0100 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <87tup1dk63.fsf@gnus.org> Received-SPF: pass client-ip=5.199.139.25; envelope-from=tomas@tuxteam.de; helo=mail.tuxteam.de X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:266932 Archived-At: --L6iaP+gRLNZHKoI4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Mar 24, 2021 at 09:34:44AM +0100, Lars Ingebrigtsen wrote: > "Paul W. Rankin" via "Emacs development discussions." > writes: >=20 > >> May I suggest the attached, slightly more controversial, experimental = test? > > > > Along this same vein, I suggest that we unbind the `e' key from > > self-insert-command and instead make it insert the string "Emacs " 17 > > times, e.g. >=20 > This isn't helpful. People should be able to make suggestions on > emacs-devel without being ridiculed, and stuff like this makes > emacs-devel seem like a very hostile environment. Agreed. There is a lot of ungood karma around in this thread, which is a pity. I can understand the different POVs, but folks, could you try to calm a bit down? I do understand that keybindings /is/ a hot topic. It'll keep coming back time and again. It's worth being discussed time and again, IMHO, because it is at some intersection of tech and social: those fields change, therefore re-discussion is necessary. It would be far more pleasant [1] if such discussions happened without us hurting each other :-) Cheers [1] and efficient -- but I'm a hedonist ;-P - t --L6iaP+gRLNZHKoI4 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAmBa/YIACgkQBcgs9XrR2kY2pACfcpj/SvgHR45VH7JnvwzgqR03 qUIAmwXHCf6TfhgAW6NvVKdlNJ0+ayZz =uNJp -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --L6iaP+gRLNZHKoI4--